Bro did you just bump a 9 year old thread to participate in a discussion that is no longer relevant? The posts in this thread were obviously basing their decision on much less information than we have now. Wlad is obv an ATG now.
It's pretty sad that he obviously trawled through old threads on the search engine then responded nonchalantly to this one as though no one would notice the fact that it's already nine frigging years old.
Michael Katsidis and Harry Greb
Rocky Marciano and Gerry Cooney
Kubrat Pulev and Ruslan Chagaev
Chris Algieri and Carl Frampton
Chad Dawson and Jon Jones
Isaac Chilemba and George Foreman
Shane Mosley and Archie Moore
Tomasz Adamek and Joe Choynski
James Toney and Bukom Bantu
Lennox Lewis and Ola Afolabi
The next gen (next 5years or so) will be fun imo.
Big personalities (Fury, Wilder, Whyte). Hyped fighters (Joshua, Fury, Wilder, Hughie Fury, Parker). Big punchers (Ortiz, Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin). In shape fighters (Wilder, Joshua, Jennings, Parker,Povetkin).
Some of those guys might end up not being all that great,but their hype will feed the division non the less.
Big money potentially coming for Heavyweights.
Can maybe add a comebacking Haye for a fight or two and maybe an old Klitschko if he still wants it.
The key will be making sure these guys get in the ring and make the fights at the right time
That's always been the case though. Guys like Glazkov and Wilder don't give me that much hope that the division will get significantly better in this regard, though having a perceived vulnerable guy like Fury as king of the hill might fire fighters up a bit more.
I used to love WWF back in the late 80s early 90s. There was just something uniquely awesome about the fusion of cheese and badassery that's never been matched since. So many characters. Dudes in handlebars and croc skins fighting dayglo cowboys, hillbillies with 2x4s, huge fatasses wearing leotards, crazy Conan the Barbarian knockoffs in tiny speedos having seizures on the ring ropes while a supertanned Hulk Hogan rips his stretchy lemon yellow vest off. Fcuking good times.
MMA I've kind of dipped into now and again. I sort of like the idea behind it, and love their promotion and production values, but the fights themselves I often find underwhelming. It also doesn't help that the aspect of unarmed combat I like the most, striking, is also the most underdeveloped aspect for many of its competitors. There've been some great MMA matches though, mostly in Pride. This song still gives me shivers.
For a while I was really into K-1, and followed it religiously. Andy Hug, Ernesto Hoost, Peter Aerts, Mike Bernardo, some massively talented strikers competed in that promotion back in the day, and it's telling that two of its second rate fighters in Matt Skelton and Alexander Ustinov were able to make a decent career in the heavyweight division. Here's le Banner literally lifting a guy off his feet with a body shot.
https://youtu.be/E1-wkd7fJoA?t=18m58s
I started to lose interest when it became a freakshow, however. Bob Sapp was the beginning of the end. Could never really get into Badr Hari either. Dude was just too sloppy and inconsistent.
I think it's more interesting to think of what he will do after he beats Wlad. Does he body Wilder and Povetkin, and defend his kingpin status for 20 title defenses?
I don't think Fury will have a long title reign. He reminds me of Bowe in more ways than one, and like Bowe I think his star will be short.
Is there in fact an argument for labelling Fury the GOAT heavyweight?
No, not by a long chalk. In fact, given boxing's lesser standing among the general populace in both the UK and the US as well as the perceived weakness of the division, I don't think it would ever be possible. People still have a hard time putting Wlad in their top ten, preferring fighters like Foreman and Liston and even Dempsey over him, and he has about as firm a case as any to be in there.
Fury would need to capture the imagination in a way no one has seen since Tyson and Ali and go on to dominate against a long line of equally well known and respected opponents to even be in with a chance, as well as eliminate all traces of his former oafish past, which given his bodytype and personality is never going to happen.
It's an impossible task.
Fury is entertaining, but Vlad has all the experience and interact to shut him out.
Most of fury's opposition has been pretty p1ss poor, and mentally he is fragile.
It's an intriguing fight though, anything could happen.
Mentally he's one of the strongest fighters in the ring. He literally never gives up. Outside it is a different matter.
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Back in the day, dishy as hell.
Those dwarf arms doe. :nonono:
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Those guys are all ugly as hell. You have shit taste in men.
Funnily enough, I think the exact opposite. Certain pressure fighters will always trouble Broner, while others will be good for his style. I think Rios is a very classic pressure in that he doesn't smother himself, and isn't very fast or awkward, like Maidana and Porter and he also doesn't posses the defense of either of those guys.
I think Rios is exactly the kind of fight he should have taken rather than Porter. He's slower of hand and foot, and fights in quite a textbook manner, but with pressure and poor defense. That would all help Broner who doesn't want to have to chase a guy, but would like an open defense to counter shots and the speed to do it all comfortably without being smothered and mauled.
I'm not sure any decent pressure fighter is right for Broner but I agree with what you wrote. Both Maidana and Porter brought that awkward rhythm and scrappy brawler style to the ring. Rios on the other hand attacks with fairly basic textbook punches and is on the whole a lot easier to read and respond to. He's never, for instance, going to suddenly rush forward throwing wild caveman swings from odd angles. Rather he'll relentlessly stalk you, maintaining a set distance, leaving himself open provided he can at some point trap you against the ropes and unload. That doesn't exactly give Broner much breathing room but it gives him a lot less to think about and therefore a better chance for him to impose his will on the fight.
James Toney goes to the doctor's complaining of dizziness and memory loss. The doctor sits him down and tells him he's going to ask him a series of questions about Andre Ward.
"Hold on," says James. "Who's Andre Ward?"
The doctor pauses a moment, then scrunches up the list he was going to ask him.
"Never mind," he says. "You're perfectly fine."
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Paul Williams
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Shane Mosley
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Chris John
10. Chad Dawson
What a terrible list. Are you posting from 2009? Oh wait, you are.