What will it take for the HW division to dominate once again?

HW is in good state and Klitschko fights were big in Europe. The reason why it's not seen as big as before is because there are no American stars/hyped fighters. If some new American great HWs appears the division will be seen as prestigious again. Let's face it, if Klitschko was American he would have A LOT of hype behind him.

The next gen (next 5years or so) will be fun imo. Big personalities (Fury, Wilder, Whyte). Hyped fighters (Joshua, Fury, Wilder, Hughie Fury, Parker). Big punchers (Ortiz, Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin). In shape fighters (Wilder, Joshua, Jennings, Parker,Povetkin). Some of those guys might end up not being all that great,but their hype will feed the division non the less. Big money potentially coming for Heavyweights. Can maybe add a comebacking Haye for a fight or two and maybe an old Klitschko if he still wants it. The key will be making sure these guys get in the ring and make the fights at the right time That's always been the case though. Guys like Glazkov and Wilder don't give me that much hope that the division will get significantly better in this regard, though having a perceived vulnerable guy like Fury as king of the hill might fire fighters up a bit more.

The next gen (next 5years or so) will be fun imo. Big personalities (Fury, Wilder, Whyte). Hyped fighters (Joshua, Fury, Wilder, Hughie Fury, Parker). Big punchers (Ortiz, Joshua, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin). In shape fighters (Wilder, Joshua, Jennings, Parker,Povetkin). Some of those guys might end up not being all that great,but their hype will feed the division non the less. Big money potentially coming for Heavyweights. Can maybe add a comebacking Haye for a fight or two and maybe an old Klitschko if he still wants it. The key will be making sure these guys get in the ring and make the fights at the right time

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well i don't have the time or resources to do that. i just gave you the overall view of how top fighters used to fight each other. most of the guys on ali's list also have a good number of losses to fellow top tenners where as on wlad's list they barely have any wins or losses to top tenners since they didn't fight any. feel free to go look up the 90's and 00's. my brain is melted from looking at boxrec. I will not. I will leave that tedious bit of evidence making to those who put forth the myth.

Surely that isn't a statistic Of fights between top ten contenders from 1970 to 1979 compared to 2000 to 2009? Ranked fighters fighting ranked fighters. I believe that was the issue. Try doing that for the 1990s and 2000s. A lot of posters thinks the 1990s was the second best decade, so one would expect the difference to be huge. well i don't have the time or resources to do that. i just gave you the overall view of how top fighters used to fight each other. most of the guys on ali's list also have a good number of losses to fellow top tenners where as on wlad's list they barely have any wins or losses to top tenners since they didn't fight any. feel free to go look up the 90's and 00's. my brain is melted from looking at boxrec.

Hughie Fury is one for the future, too. P.s. Don't forget the ducked man of the division; the guy who retired Vitali; the TRUE WBC champ: Manuel 'Diamond Boy' Charr.

ok let's compare ali's era to wlad's so you can see the difference. this is just a rough list of guys ali and wlad fought. btw ali had 33 top 10 wins to wlad's 10. jimmy ellis had 5 top ten wins jerry quarry had 7 floyd patterson had 10 george chuvalo had 3 zora folley had 4 ernie terrell had 5 oscar bonavena had 3 jimmy young 3 ken norton 5 joe frazier had 12 sonny liston had 7 ron lyle had 6 george foreman 6(young george) byrd 5 sam peter 2 ibragimov 1 chagaev 2 thompson 1 povetkin 2 chambers 2 adamek 2 brock 0 austin 0 pianeta 0 mormeck 0 wach 0 leapai 0 Surely that isn't a statistic Of fights between top ten contenders from 1970 to 1979 compared to 2000 to 2009? Ranked fighters fighting ranked fighters. I believe that was the issue. Try doing that for the 1990s and 2000s. A lot of posters thinks the 1990s was the second best decade, so one would expect the difference to be huge.

if these stats are correct then it's hard to argue... yes they are correct. i'm always correct. i didn't include a guy like rahman on wlad's list because he was completely shot and worthless when wlad fought him. i also didn't include ali's win over archie moore because moore was 800 years old.

Joshua Glazkov Jennings Perez Pulev Nah on Glazkov and Jennings, Pulev is completely unproven and looked mediocre against Thompson, and Joshua's way too soon to say.

ok let's compare ali's era to wlad's so you can see the difference. this is just a rough list of guys ali and wlad fought. btw ali had 33 top 10 wins to wlad's 10. jimmy ellis had 5 top ten wins jerry quarry had 7 floyd patterson had 10 george chuvalo had 3 zora folley had 4 ernie terrell had 5 oscar bonavena had 3 jimmy young 3 ken norton 5 joe frazier had 12 sonny liston had 7 ron lyle had 6 george foreman 6(young george) byrd 5 sam peter 2 ibragimov 1 chagaev 2 thompson 1 povetkin 2 chambers 2 adamek 2 brock 0 austin 0 pianeta 0 mormeck 0 wach 0 leapai 0 if these stats are correct then it's hard to argue...

there needs to big title fights in the states. it doesn't matter thm fighters are from. in the 90s guys like botha, tua, ruddock, lewis just to name a few all fought in the states often. europe is small & 40% of the world's HWs come from the US. yes most are crap but still. just like in music you are not big unless you sell albums in the states. beatles 7.5 million albums in england, 2 billiopn in the states. there are lots of people to attract but you need to have solid fights. klitschkos did well for a few years in the US but after sanders & brewster nobody cared & they fight mostly in germany. i know the nuthuggers will disagree but if you are thriving worldwide in boxing you are doing it the states not just in europe. sure they make money over there but the division is dead & not on the map anymore.

Do you have a statistic provingthat? Personally I think it's a myth. I'd like to see a statistic for fights between top ten contenders in different decades. ok let's compare ali's era to wlad's so you can see the difference. this is just a rough list of guys ali and wlad fought. btw ali had 33 top 10 wins to wlad's 10. jimmy ellis had 5 top ten wins jerry quarry had 7 floyd patterson had 10 george chuvalo had 3 zora folley had 4 ernie terrell had 5 oscar bonavena had 3 jimmy young 3 ken norton 5 joe frazier had 12 sonny liston had 7 ron lyle had 6 george foreman 6(young george) byrd 5 sam peter 2 ibragimov 1 chagaev 2 thompson 1 povetkin 2 chambers 2 adamek 2 brock 0 austin 0 pianeta 0 mormeck 0 wach 0 leapai 0

Athleticism, Fitness and KO's. Last night's HW bout lacked in all three areas. I'm sure some found enjoyment in it, but I've been more entertained watching B-Hop fight.

More fights between top fighters. I want the top ten fighting tooth and nail until a genuine competitor for Wlad comes about. Get Wlad in a fight people think he might lose and watch the interest grow Oh and Cardio. There should be fitness test before you enter the top 20 :D

For all the guys to fight each other.... It's not a bad division, but none of the top guys fight other top guys Do you have a statistic provingthat? Personally I think it's a myth. I'd like to see a statistic for fights between top ten contenders in different decades.

I think the heavyweight division is headed in a good direction. Their are a lot of really good fighters out their, and many of them are willing to bang heads. That's making everything very interesting. The only real problem, at this point, is that Wlad is an extremely boring fighter, just like Mayweather, only Wlad isn't hated like Floyd, so there is very little appeal to his fights. You watch Mayweather fight because you are hoping someone knocks his ass out and shuts his arrogant criminal mouth. Wlad just doesn't have that kind of image, so his fights are just boring, period. No real appeal, at all, for the casual boxing fan. Mayweather's fights are much more entertaining than Wlad's. The skillset Floyd uses is so much better, even though the fights are not competitive.

Competition between genuinely good fighters. Outside of Wlad and Haye, who might be retired for all I know, what genuinely good fighters are there in the division? The fights suck, when the fights don't suck maybe HW will reclaim its place atop the throne.

Despite the dominance of the Klitschko's, there is a lack of draw, and hype to the HW division. What will it take for the HW division to rise and dominate boxing once again? Discuss. You must be American? For you what matters is that a great yank HW emerges. If say Wilder beats Klitschko, the HW are back on top in the US.

I think the heavyweight division is headed in a good direction. Their are a lot of really good fighters out their, and many of them are willing to bang heads. That's making everything very interesting. The only real problem, at this point, is that Wlad is an extremely boring fighter, just like Mayweather, only Wlad isn't hated like Floyd, so there is very little appeal to his fights. You watch Mayweather fight because you are hoping someone knocks his ass out and shuts his arrogant criminal mouth. Wlad just doesn't have that kind of image, so his fights are just boring, period. No real appeal, at all, for the casual boxing fan.