Here is a list of 10 records in the format Wins (KOs) - Losses - Draws/No contests.
I've picked some well known guys (retired or no longer active) for the most part, lets see how good NSB's fight fans are at remembering or figuring out who are defined by these numbers.
1. 77(47)-10-3
2. 50(44)-6-2
3. 58(38)-4
4. 36(25)-3-1
5. 55(49)-6
6. 44(29)-10-2
7. 56(40)-7-1
8. 40(17)-4-1
9. 61(48)-5-1
10. 54(37)-21-2
Edit: So as not to ruin it for others who want to try I will PM you to tell you which ones you've got right.
Zero certainty about any of them but here are my guesses:
1 Lights Out Toney
2 Evander Holyfield
3 Larry Holmes
4 Sugar Ray Leonard
5 Mike Tyson
6 Morales
7 JMM
8 Sweet Pea Whitaker
9 Roberto Duran
10 Jake Lamotta???
I dont see how Mikey stands a chance now. Maybe in his prime, but to me he looked so slow and sluggish in his last fight despite getting the knockout. A lot of it might be ring rust but i honestly dont see him being much better than that now. Loma will just be able to outbox him after say 4 rounds of looking at each other and seeing what each of them has to offer.
no he wasn't landing. He landed 7 8 and 9 punches per round. He did not land 10 punches in ANY ROUND OF THE FIGHT!!!!! That's incredible. Never in history has that happened :ugh:
Actually pretty sure both Corrales and Vinny Paz both landed less than 10 punches/round against Mayweather and RJJ respectively. Although those fights did not go all 12 rounds.
'09 Pac would definitely have beat Canelo imo but now I wouldn't dream of it. No more killer instinct and the fact that Nelo's defense has improved since would make it much harder for Pac. Regardless, Pac wouldn't even touch 154 (much less the MW limit of 155 right?) so why bother?
Why retire if you can keep entertaining the 300 odd people of Oakland? Besides he's the best clincher in the game right now. Man not enough people give this man credit for his contributions to this sport.
Okay so I was looking at the very first page of the thread yer and was thinking wtf these idiot are on about? cotto, jlc, hatton best fighters on the inside today? 2 of them are retired and the other a boxer/puncher...thats of course before i realised them posts were from 2006 lol.
Mayweather and Ward are on top right now imo.
Coming up though I like Mares and Broner as well. Both different styles of inside fighting but both very effective.
Also does anyone notice how calm, civil and logical the discussion was back in the day?
So true, not one expletive dropped. I mean when the first guy said cotto moved the same way tyson did I woulda lost it big time lol.
Anyway Mayweather, Ward in a league of their own Broner follows soon. Believe it or not though I'd actually say Timmy Bradley is up their too. Sure he got creamed over and over again on the inside by Ruslan but I think thats still mostly because he wanted to trade and prove he can punch hard on the inside. If he plays it smart on the inside though, he is lethal.
Wow, honourable mention for Pacman is insane. His LEGENDARY record speaks for itself. I can only think that you claim he is a hypejob post the rios fight since he has been recently discussed in the top p4p fighters again. I cant help but think you inherently applied a double standard with Pac (as is commonly applied to Floyd) just because he couldn't knock out a dude that is ripe for the taking. Nevertheless, Ive always thought that outside of fighting Pac, Marquez will look shot against pretty much a high level welter. Not the same can be said for Pac, he'll still beat any welter out there not named Mayweather
its about 110k m8 the little fuker can lift 10k more than me and im 10st 3 lol
Dw bro, kid walks around 150+ so he'd be heavier than you lol. Besides he only did 1 rep. Instead of lifting weights for fun maybe he should lift up his game and actually fight the top guys lol. (though i respect his tko of demarco of course)
ahk that seems WAAAY more legit. Thats pretty good, I think. Need to convert lbs to kilos lol not used to this imperial **** but thats still quite impressive for a boxer of his size
Seems kinda bs that no numbers were shown but if that was indeed 315lbs he just lifted over twice his walking weight, quite impressive. Also "already did 10 reps" my azz
Well if we're talking now I think Lucas has a shot purely because of his swarming style and Mayweather has shown recently that he doesnt utilize his feet as much as before (just look at the difference between Floyd from the early 2000's like the Corrales fight compared to fights from Mosley til now). Nonetheless he'd pot shot Lucas and once again prove hes on a level above the rest.
Nope , pacquiao jmm 5 is the biggest fight that can be made , ill bet all my pointsit outsells may canelo Mayweathers
i agree with this. We all know Mayweather wont fight Pacquiao, but what we've always known, especially now, is that witnessing fights between Pacquiao and Marquez is witnessing wars that will go down into the record books.
What are we calling 'a chin' in this instance?
Simply the ability to take a punch without getting knocked out? Or are we saying a chin is the ability to take a shot without being moved at all?
If the first, Marquez has faced the best without taking a single KO loss. He's been knocked down numerous times, but that says more about his defense because, as it stands, he's taken huge shots without ever really looking like he was going to get knocked out.
They've all been down quite a few times, Marquez probably the most, but he's also the only one who hasn't been knocked out numerous times.
Difficult to say.
Barrera and Pac have both dropped Marquez. Marquez has knocked out Pac, dropped Pac and hurt Barrera, while Pac has dropped and stopped Barrera. Apart from that, only Barrera and Pac have been knocked out other than these fights. They've all been down a few times, though Marquez has been down more often lately as he aged.
^facts right there. IMO if a prime Paulie Malignaggi (who has next to no power) were to punch each man 100 times on the head, Pacquiao would last the longest. Pac is the hardest to move of the lot and youll have to clock him on the chin as did JMM in their 4th. Next is Barrera and Id say JMM is most likely to get KTFO.
If however a prime Iron Mike were to give each man 10 blows to the head, only then will I favour Marquez over the lot. This guy has been clocked on the chin numerous times but always got up. Even his knockdown against Barrera was right on the chin if you look closely. JMM followed by Pac then Barrera in that order as the last to sleep.
I agree that Trout might cause Floyd some trouble early on cause of his size and reach, other than that I think Floyd will find a way midway through the fight and do enough to get by a convincing UD. Stylistically, Trout will pose more problems against Mayweather than Canelo who stands in the middle of the ring with next to no footwork.
He made weight. That's all that matters.
I agree to this entirely, unless he hasnt put on margarito handwraps while being unofficialy weighed then i dont see why we can lambast him for that. Besides this is obviously a typo with the 163 lbs. Hell the biggest welter that i ever saw was Ortiz against Money May and even then he weighed only one lb heavier than what youre suggesting Lucas weighed this fight.
Rios hasn't been stopped yet, so Rios.
The only time Marga was truly stopped (not on cuts vs Miguel) was against Sugar Shane. In that fight from the very first bell Marga didnt look the same as he did for whatever reasons (we all know what those are) previously so I wont count that as his prime.
I think Cheato looks more stable than Rios when either men get hit, he rarely get budged unlike Rios. I also think Rios' defense on the inside is underrated hence he actually takes a bit less punishment that people might think.
To an extent its hard to blame them given the rate at which fights are being shown only on ppv now. Also the best not fighting the best etc.etc. Unfortunately I want even alive the days when the great 4 middleweights ruled so I can't say much for those people that stopped following the sport post that era
BECAUSE THE ARGUEMENT IS ALVARADO DESERVES THE FIGHT, NOT RIOS. You're the thick-headed one. No, Mike Alvarado isn't out for the year, his ****ing manager was in the middle of negotiating this fight for SEPTEMBER. Do you not read the articles on the main page? This was recent as of LAST WEEK.
Recent as of last week? I Steve Kim of Maxboxing just said Alvarado is out for the rest of the year 4 hours ago? Obviously his hand has been hurting for a bit and who knows maybe part of the reason the Pac fight fell through (although in your defence, my suspicion is that its not).
Btw I asked you to reclarify your last sentence 2 posts ago. You didnt so heres my answer based on my interpretation.
If Rios is better than Alvarado, then as youre logic says, it is not a tune up fight. Im not putting words in your mouth, thats simply what you stated. If it is not a tune up fight why the **** are you still here?
If Alvarado is better than Rios, then as youre logic says, the Pac-Rios is a tune up fight. BUT DIDNT I ALREADY SAY THAT PAC CAN BE FORGIVEN IF HE HAS A TUNE UP FIGHT. THATS MY ARGUMENT DUDE! Let's leave it at that?
No, you're twisting the arguement around, deflecting it away from what a previous poster already stated. You can't have two people arguing for why Rios is a better alternative than Alvarado but have one person saying Rios is a tougher opponent for Pacquiao, and have the other person say Rios is a tune-up fight. Do you not understand this? Go back and read the entire arguement before posting your thoughts.
I'm not buying the Alvarado hand injury, so I'm not commenting on it more than I already have. Read the Denver Post news article I just linked. Something sounds fishy to me.
LOL I read the article and it does sound like ****ing Bob doing something behind the scenes again. Seriously I think he's not good for the sport. I used to think that maybe Golden Boy was worse back in the day, but now I see at least a glimmer of hope for GBP and not so much TR. I wouldn't be surprised if its all Arum propaganda but I know for certain that they have always wanted Pac-Rios from the very beginning and the Mile High win threw a spanner in the works. For now I'd say take what Bob says with a grain of salt...
Regardless though, I stand by what I said and my opinion is my opinion and not anybody elses. I dont need to read the whole thread again because I was converisng with you alone. My last post summarises my argument. You should be thankful that Pac's fighting Rios level opposition. I would probably agree with you in that Rado should have gotten the shot but the hand injury thing and "not showing up for doctor appointments" clouds this thought. I wouldnt mind seeing Pac against either guy and frankly all I am saying is that fighting Rios should not be held against Pac.
if mike's hand injury is somehow worse than it was last week (doubtful, but for the sake of arguement), then I have no problem with them going with Rios
I just think it's all bogus, and that Rios presents less of a problem for Manny, he's tailor made (this is going to be worse than Margarito, Rios is smaller than Tony)
and this is on PPV, this should be on HBO BoxingAfterDark
Arum will make this PPV as the Chinese economy will give him even more money. You're right though, definitely must hear the Alvarado camp side of the story and preferably from the fighter himself. If it is false, as I said, I dont blame him for DUCKING Alvarado because of Pac's most recent history. That ducking could be caused by monetary issues or what not but as you said (and I believe) Rios' style is better for Pac. But for the last time (ill off soon), I think our differences come from the fact that you think fighting Rios over Mile H is a sin while I think it's not. Just like Khan fights soft handed fighters after his losses, I think a fighter that got knocked out even worse than Khan and who is obvs declining has the right to face a lesser fighter. Crucify him if you think he still p4p and he fights David Diaz again should he win over Rios. For now though the man has earned this fight and should cut him some slack
you're name calling, it makes your arguement (what little of one there is) irrelevant.
is Rios more of a threat to Pacquiao than Alvarado? answer that question
if he is, then you can't say Rios is a "soft tune-up fight" for Pacquiao after being KTFO
Oh my fuc king god. Mate youre too thick-headed to realise my argument. Read carefully: Pac can be forgiven if he takes Ponce de Leon, he can be forgiven if he takes on Juan Diaz, he can be forgiven if he takes on Singwangcha. Yet you criticize him for fighting Brandon Rios, a dude that can crack his chin? Asking me if hes more of a threat than Mile High is irrelevant because as I said HES OUT FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. A source arguing this would also be appreciated. Besides what does it matter if Mike is more of a threat than Rios when I already said that he can be forgiven if he takes on even lesser opposition? You should be glad that he is fighting people on the level of Rios. ALso I dont understand your last sentence explain again pls.
but wait, Pacquiao deserves a soft fight coming off being KTFO
BUT WAIT
IT'S TOO EASY TO SCHOOL THESE GUYS.
I dont know exactly what your business is but its obvious that you are against Pac fighting Rios. The same Pac that got KTFO in his last fight and the same Pac that so many people here in BS claimed to be washed up. Pac is no longer #1 or #2 p4p fighter. Putting all that into consideration, kind sir, do realise that Rios is as good a fighter that you should expect in there with Pac. How do you know that this fight isnt viable? Has Pac fought since he got put to sleep? How do you know that he will beat Rios as easily as you proclaim without having him seen post-knockout? How do you criticise a fighter for taking a fight against a fighter that could hit and crack that chin again? You preach this fight is gonna be one-sided and I get the feeling you're not so open with your thoughts about it. Yet you offer no substitutes to his opponent come November. You claim Alvarado is fighting on the same card? Are you in speaking terms with Arum cause last time i checked Alvarado is out for the rest of the year. You think Pac should fight Bradley or Marquez, well last time I checked they were too busy for Pac. Maybe you ask that Pac fight the Golden Boy's (were not stupid enought to envisage this). Basically, I need you to STFU IF YOURE NOT OFFERING ANY LOGICAL DEFENCE TO YOUR ARGUMENT. THINK OF A FIGHTER FOR PAC TO FIGHT AND SAY NOTHING MORE DIC KHEAD
so you're saying Rios *IS* a softer opponent than Alvarado? others in this thread said the exact opposite.
Yer that's actually what I think BUT its irrelevant assuming the reports are true that Mile has a hand/finger injury. Dont compare me to the others defending Pac this is my point of view and I try to be as objective as I can. Having been KTFO Id say Rios or Alvarado is a tough a fight as can be realised. "Manos de Piedra" fought a guy called Manuel Zambrano who was 5-7 after being KTFO by the Hitman. Same story here present time. Just that It's a far bigger ask from Manny.
If the others say Mile High is tougher then all power to them. If Arum is lying and the injury is not legit then I still dont blame Pac for fighting Rios
yup. how can people call manny a P4P fighter, when he has to be matched up against certain styles in order to win or look effective?
it's bull**** and a double standard
This is true if Manny was still considered in the top of the heap. He's obvs not in the same league as he once was
Floyd never gets fans the fight that they want to see:Flush:
That's been going on for a couple of years now:tragedy:
Im sorry to say its been a lot longer than just a couple of years. Never fought the guys us fans wanted to see at the time. So much skill, so much talent yet he fought for a paycheck and not for a spot as an ATG