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You're saying that they copied Wlad's style, but it hasn't worked because they copied literally nothing that Wlad did? Not the jab, not the clinching, not the fight pattern, and not the low risk approach. Have you considered that they may not have followed Wlad's template? Given there's zero relationship (as you pointed out) between Wlad and AJ's styles? Nah they tried to copy his style and have just failed due to not understanding it properly. Post the klitschko fight Joshua was getting advice from him, having phonecalls with him, talking about fighting like him etc. And you can see they are trying to fight in that style but just suck at it.

You hit the nail on the head about the biggest difference being that jab. Wladimir had one of the best jabs in the history of heavyweight boxing, right up there with Larry Holmes. A laser beam that not only kept his opponents at bay but wore them down as the rounds progressed. I've seen people including industry experts praise Joshuas jab which is just bewildering to me, his jab has never been damaging, its always been an "OK" jab to me and nothing more, not a serious weapon.

At his age Usyk wanted to get one of the big $$ fish at HW either Joshua,Fury or Wilder whoever he had the first chance at in order to get his biggest payday. I’m glad he’s getting paid well but again his road to get a opportunity to win 3 belts is ridiculous after beating 2 stiffs This is an important point, Usyk is reaching the end of his prime, with the current "situation" worldwide, how often title fights are happening and all the politics, if Usyk didn't go for it now, he might have been waiting until he was 37, 38 to get a shot. I can't be 100% sure but I do think I saw the first few little signs of age start to creep in against Chisora, now that could have just been that usky didn't take him seriously but either way, he really had to jump now in my opinion.

AJ's jab is average, absolutely nothing special. His strength is his power especially his power combo shots. Tonight AJ did not attempt to throw anything of real substance. He would have just got countered if he had tried to unload, Usyk's movement was far too slick and Joshua needed to be investing to the body from the clinch a lot more than he did. It looked like for a minute in rounds 5 and 6 that he was starting to get to Usyk, and that came off power punches to the body coming off the clinch, I thought if he kept that up, he will slow Usyk down and then he can let the power shots go. but then he went back to his weak jab and got his head boxed off again. ​​​​​

It was a good effort, I thought he was tactically poor but he tried until the end and the last 2 to 3 rounds were rough for him.

Pretty much the exact same level. I've watched plant for years and never seen anything special about him but I think some circles are wishful thinking, he will fall apart and get ko'd as soon as Canelo feels like it's time to hit the bar.

Joshua came in lighter when he planned to be on his bike against Ruiz and not engage with in-fighting. That was because he knew what would happen as Ruiz stay put and fight, is much faster, throws in combination, and Joshua cannot take his punches. Against Usyk, Joshua might take a clue from Fury and come in heavier to physically manhandle Usyk and have that much power behind his punches. He ain't outrunning Usyk, so there is no point in coming in lighter. Personally while his approach to Ruiz 2 worked I don't think that was the only thing that could have worked for him, he didn't need to be that negative, Ruiz really wasn't going to land anything so long as Joshua didn't pretty much literally offer him his chin, so he could have fought a bit more assertive and let more right hands go, he didn't need to run, just be defensively responsible, I think he's still figuring out that there is a sweet spot there between swinging like an idiot and running.

He can't fight anything like Chisora correct but he could have done certain things to impliment his physical size. Go watch Klitschko vs Povetkin, klitschko would have done the same to Usyk and Joshua has the attributes to use that approach (maybe tone it down a bit) Having a taller heavier man leaning all over you, mauling you, pushing you down takes its toll. Joshuas best work came when he grabbed Usyk and threw in a bodyshot, basic big man technique but he only did it a couple of times. They have tried to make Joshua some masterful outside boxer but that's A) not using his strengths that well and B) wrong approach for this fight, maybe only Vitali klitschko has the ability to beat Usyk like that.

Mark these words and mark them well. If Fury and Usyk fight, Tyson Fury, 6'9" 280lbs of kronk, inside fighting-Ness, the gypsy king, 400 years of fighting, will punch Usyk's coont, right in for him.

Those slimey man boobs all over Usyks face will have an effect! It's no fun having to motorboat hairy, sweaty man boobs while gasping for air and inhaling globules of man boob sweat. That's what awaits Usyk in that fight.

You know looking at the public workouts and images released the last few days has me really pondering this fight in my head. We know Joshua has been working on his back foot game trying to improve his defence and energy conservation right? To me he is looking very lean for this one and clearly planning for a 12 round back foot fight. So to me, if I'm advising Usyk I would have advised his strategy to be to force Joshua to come forward, because I think Usyk has the ability to steal rounds and force AJ into having to chase the fight, which isn't what he wants to do. So I do not understand why Usyk has decided to bulk up, if he thinks he's going to be able to catch AJ in an exchange Ruiz 1 style I dot really see it. I also don't see him blasting AJ out early. And if the fight goes late, I think Usyk has now given up his stamina advantage. I think it's going to be Usyk having to chase the fight after 6 rounds, with the leaned down AJ having not expended as much energy as Usyk would like, and Usyk himself feeling the extra 15lbs he's put on. I honestly had a feeling Usyk was going to win this one by smart boxing but to me, I think he's got his tactics wrong, I think he IS planning to try and catch AJ in an exchange but I don't think AJ is going to open up early like that, Usyk is gonna have to use some gamesmanship and play possum (and AJ does need to watch for that) but I think it's gonna backfire. I'm now pretty confident of an AJ win ​​​​​ ​​​​​

He definatley has a chance, a win for Usyk wouldn't even be as big an upset as Ruiz was. I do think in order to win though he's going to need to fight a flawless fight, and Joshua will have to make tactical errors. He's reliant more on Joshua to lose the fight than him win it in my opinion. If Joshua fights the way he should, he will win imo. ​​​

Even in the post-fight interview, Usyk said he wants to be with his wife, to grow apples, etc. I am not sure he wants to keep hanging in there fighting everyone. May be 2-3 big fights to earn the money and he would like to live a comfortable retired life. Grow apples lmao wtf

OK time for my prediction, I've gone back and forth but at some point you have to nail your colours to the mast right. I'm basing this on what I see of both men in training, Joshua coming in quite lean and Usyk looks to be a little heavier to go for added power. So here's how I see it. Round 1-4 Usyk comes out early slightly aggressively minded but I thibk he will feel the power early, even if its on the gloves and switch up to fight more intellegently. This will put Usyk into his usual habit of starting slow, working out the angles, Joshua will be a but quicker than Usyk expects and will win the first few low volume rounds by a few jabs a round. AJ 40-usyk 36 Round 5 Usyk starts to work out the angles, he lands a little more, it's a more even round but hard to separate them AJ 50- Usyk 46 Rounds 6,7,8 Usyk is landing the cleaner work, starting to pick AJ off a bit here, Joshua steals one of the rounds behind the jab, but Usyk takes the other two AJ 78- Usyk 75 Round 9 Joshua realizes the fight is still up for grabs and Usyk is starting to take over, the boxing isn't going to get it done so he needs to take a risk, he comes out super aggressive (think klitschko round 3) he is getting a bit wild, Usyk clips him and Joshuas legs appear to wobble, he grabs Usyk, walks him back to the ropes then unleashes an uppercut on the inside, Usyk goes down HARD The Ukrainian is tough though, he won't be kept down, he gets to his feet, legs are weak, but Joshua is beginning to tire, he has learned from his mistakes, he doesn't rush in and the bell rings. AJ 88 - Usyk 83 In the corner, mcracken tells joshua to calm the eff down, he's 5 points up with the knockdown, get back behind the jab and keep it simple. Rounds 10-11 boring shit with AJ behind the jab, Usyk being cagey, Usyk takes round 11, very low volume rounds AJ 107-Usyk 104 Round 12, Usyk needs a ko, he comes out hard, he's willing to go for broke, AJ ties him up, there's a whole lot of hugging going on, the ref gets annoyed but Joshua doesn't care, the clock runs down, Usyk takes the round on aggression but he can't close the show on the bigger man who's committed to hear the final bell AJ 116-114 or 117-113 Usyk It's a closeish fight, but Joshua uses a combination of decent our boxing early, pure aggression mid way, and big-manning late to prevent the Usyk machine from working out the algorithm. Joshua gets some crap for hanging on to a small guy in the 12th round but nobody really wants to see a rematch either, and we move on to Fury v Wilder. That's how I see it, folks. ​​​

I'm not sure if it's the end for Joshua yet, if someone told me he would win one of the belts back and have another notable win or two over the next couple of years I'd hardly be mind blown. But sure I'll show some appreciation, I think he has done incredibly well for a late starter to boxing, he's always had that disadvantage of it not being in him since he was a kid like a Usyk or a Fury but he's done very well in spite of that, he's provided us with some great nights, even in his losses tbh. I also think he's conducted himself well, he's always acted with class, I know a lot of it is the PR thing but I think he tries to be a positive role model, his heart is in the right place. I think having a genuine hatred of Joshua is kind of silly, I think after he's retired he will be looked back on better than he's perceived now, he was a good champion who won most and lost a couple.

how is fury going to get inside the head of a madman? He won't need to his path to victory in the ring is straight forward and nothing he's not already done in fights.

You don’t fight at the same weight every fight . The smart fighter adapts to his opponents they don’t stay stagnate and predictable , most say AJ is basic but ask his opponents how basic he is ? There is no one style ,the style you use is the one that works in the fight you train for . I think AJ by round 8/9 . It will be impress if Usyk can make it the distance but I’m going to say no . You didn't see klitschko dropping 15lbs here and gaining 10 there for every scrub he was facing. He was 247 or thereabouts for virtually every fight he ever had and he went in that ring to impose HIS style on every opponent he faced, and not adapt to his opponents style.

He's not DAZN's promoter, he's AJ's promoter. He's also DAZN's broadcast partner and the fight is on DAZN worldwide. ​​​​​​ You don't find it even slightly unusual? A fight this big would usually have programming alongside it, or at least promo videos being gradually released. This one has Hearn/Matchroom sharing the poster a few days ago and a video of Usyk's training camp. It's fallen to YouTube pages to release previews and promos. It's far from everywhere, or at least outside of the UK it isn't particularly promoted. Even PBC has released a 6 part preview on Wilder v Fury. Matchroom are usually well ahead on doing things like that. It is really strange in my opinion, this is a stadium fight with 60-70k in attendance and its had about as much promotion as a small hall show. Usyk has flown to the UK today so I don't think the fight is planned to be postponed or anything, I just think it's really odd they haven't been pumping the promotion.

THe problem is usyk was countering with a straight left that hurt joshua Because Joshua was trying to inch his way in behind a weak jab with his chin exposed. Chin on chest, high guard, stride forward. Joshua has no idea how to impose his size, none, if a guy is countering you cleanly you don't stand there trying to fence with them, see Fury vs Cunningham, Steve was lighting fury up with clean counters, heavy shots, Fury then decided to let Cunningham experience the feeling of a 250lb man's Moobs shoved in his face against the ropes, no finesse. ​​​​​

No. Fury knows exactly how to beat Usyk and has used the exact style he would use against Usyk multiple times.

It's an interesting comparrison since Douglas came in his worst ever shape by far and Joshua looks in tremendous shape

He has a style that's very effective but don't get too carried away, Teo Lopez already found a way to beat that style as did Salido and others will as well. It's a pretty, eye catching style but it doesn't respond well to being crowded or pressured, they both thrive when given time and room to work ​​​​​ That's the reason Usyk won't beat Fury.

I didn't notice it, I watched the Parker press conference and the Usyk one together and Joshua doesn't look as drained as he did for the Parker one (look at his face in both) I do not appreciate his rambles he goes on but I also don't think those will lose him the fight. {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"images - 2021-09-24T094348.642.jpeg","data-attachmentid":31097637} {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"images - 2021-09-24T094301.341.jpeg","data-attachmentid":31097636}

Bigger how? Usyk has longer bones, he's an inch taller, longer arms etc but Povetkin was certainly more compact and dense, Povetkin would have been severely drained at 200lbs, Usyk was fine and healthy at that weight.

Take center ring and counter. He did not try to fight like Ruiz 2 lmao he spent 90% of his time in the center of the ring and didn't use a whole lot of movement as he was clearly trying to jab and counter with power.

Cant be AJ’s second lightest, he fought most of his early fights in the high 220’s and 230’s Anyway, the weights are probably what most expected. That's what they said on the broadcast idk if it's accurate I'm not signing up to boxrec

I lean towards Joshua. The size, power and very good skills of AJ and he's been through some adversity recently in which I believe has improved him. Usyk does have a chance because of his skills though. I wouldn't be totally confident picking either way. Joshua has definitely got the edge though. I think it's now or never for Joshua to hit his full potential, he seems to have been stuck between mindsets for a long time, changing his weight and approach constantly, he needs to just bed in his style to what he does best and be confident in it. I have a feeling Usyk is gonna win this one, but I think it will be close and I don't rule Joshua out in a rematch.

No he will win every round and then lose 120-108 on the cards and be sent home to Ukraine empty handed. They will petition the governing bodies but nothing will be done.

A-side privellage is a thing in boxing and it has been for years. Klitschko got it vs Povetkin and was allowed to turn their fight into a wrestling match, and that was IN RUSSIA Wilder got an extra minutes rest against ortiz Fury wasn't stopped on cuts vs wallin Usyk is going to have to take the belts from Joshua, he will know that going into the fight, he will have to be aware of the optics of the fight, being the smaller man as well if he tries to stay out of range and is reluctant to engage that's not going to be good for him. But at the same time I GUARENTEE you even if the fight is legitimately like 7 rounds Joshua 5 rounds Usyk that the online folks will cry robbery and hometown decision. Usyk will need to dominate to win on the cards Joshua will have to dominate to win in the court of public opinion. I've seen so many people saying a robbery is the only way Joshua will win, or picking Joshua by robbery, it's like in a lot of people's minds a clean win just isn't possible, and I disagree. I actually think due to the way Usyk fights he could find himself a mile behind on the cards by the midway point and Joshua needing to win one or two of the last 6 rounds to retain.

Usyk is one brilliant fighter and you would have to give him a chance vs anyone he faces from now on But with that said I could see Fury winning that fight he controls distance better than AJ, better head movement and defensive skills, has a nice long jab he will stick in Usyk face all night long and any inside work Fury probably leans on him all night ala Cunningham and grinds him down Yup and Fury is 30lbs heavier now than he even was against cunningham. I could see fury coming in at 290lbs and mauling Usyk to death tbh.