I watched it with spanish commentary on HBO this morning and the commentators were expressing how Paul Williams looked like he didn't even wanna raise his hand when they announced the victory..and didn't even smile..and I never seen Paul Williams do that even in his toughest victories he never stops smiling..he felt he lost as well and knows that scorecard was bullshit as soon as he heard it..
it was a close fight..but that one scorecard made the night sour!..
Well said, you can clearly tell by the look of a fighter after the fight, besides being all bloodied and cut up, Williams had the look of defeat the entire fight, specially after they announced him the "winner"
This fight will go in the books as one of the greatest none tittle fights at MW, it was that good! Paul has a lot of balls and a lot of will, he hung in there and was aggressive but Martinez clearly beat him, I had Martinez up by two points at the end of the fight, that first round KD from Williams was an off balance glaze to the back of the head, Sergio wasn't even hurt.
maybe if he had won, but he didn't
He won that fight and you know it, what else does the guy have to do to win a fight? the same way he got robbed of a win against Cintron, gimme a break, he made Paul look like a fool, yes he hung in there and was aggressive but he got hit at will all night.
Knee jerk reactions? Check.
Not knowing how to score fights? Check.
No concept of the basic rules of scoring fights? Check.
Calling close fights robberies? Check.
Rampant nationalism and bias coming out? Check.
Closet racists chest thumping the loudest? Check.
Not posting a score card because you didn't even attempt to score the fight
but loudly screaming ROBBERY? Check.
I find it funny that guys are screaming robbery on here that normally score for AGGRESSION (ineffective or otherwise) or at least claim they do since they never score shit but HERE because of nationalism, racism or just general fighter bias are now yelling Robbery.
I had it a Draw. Props to both fighters.
Stop shitting on either one. There should be a rematch. The 119 scorecards were insane. Both want one, let's do it.
Stop shitting on the announce team. They were divided 50 percent which on a close fight like this with hard rounds to score makes sense.
Shit on the culprits: the judges that had that insane score for a close fight (this is not a robbery just ridiculous judging. A robbery is when one person clearly won the fight and doesn't get it).
I had it a draw personally. I'd be fine if Martinez had won it. He fought a GREAT fight. Both guys showed heart, courage and skill. Let's applaud them.
Paul Williams had a look of defeat throughout the whole fight, he knew he was getting his ass kicked and he knew he had lost that fight, even after they announced him the "winner" he was in disbelief. I would of been fine with a draw also but everyone knows Martinez won that fight, landed at will, avoided most of the shots and displayed amazing boxing skills.
Tough fight for Tony, Manny is too fast and Tony is too slow. The fight will last the 12 and Manny would win in convincingly fashion, however I don't think Manny would allow Tony to hit him the way he allowed Cotto last night, he's got the power to put Manny down specially to the body. I was never interested in this fight though, even pre-Mosley when Manny and Roach were calling Tony out.
That punk bitch BMW is probably sobbing like a little bitch after the ass raping Pac put on his boy last night :lol1: man I'm happier than a pig in shit :boxing:
"My name is Paul "The Punisher" Williams...and I like to punish people" have you heard that HBO promo? he says it in this soft and calm manner, my man sounds like a serial killer, I love that commercial, the wife and I were cracking up with that.
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When was the last time Cotto was bigger than his opponent? Most of the time they are bigger than him ever since he move up to WW! Can't wait for this fight!
Except for Margarito and maybe Mosley in terms of mass that is, all of Cotto's past opponents have looked smaller in comparison to Cotto, I have no idea what you been smoking homes.
Gave Cotto such a beating with the plaster that Cotto has never been the same since then.
Cotto would still be the destroyer he once was right now if it weren't for Marg. He'd have had an easier time against Clottey. His sales would be better and he would have made tons more money if it weren't for Marg.
Cotto lost
-Fans (some casual ones)
-Money (He doesn't sell AS GOOD as he used to because he's not ultra destructive anymore)
- Confidence
- Performance
- His prime
Ughhhh its terrible. I can put more crap on that list above but I'm too lazy to write all the other things Cotto may have lost after Margarito screwed him over.
The worst part is, he can't sue. He can't get Margarito to give him back what Marg has stolen from him. He'll just have to live with the fact that some **** stole something from his entire boxing career and can't get it back.
Get out of here with that bullshit, there was no plaster that night, it was just a straight up beating and the stronger most determined man won. As far of Cotto being ruined, he did win his last two fights after the massacre Dr. Doom put on that boy didn't he? albeit he looked like shit against Clottey and Jennings was just a bum ready to be scarified. I think Cotto's confidence and psyche has been shattered a bit but he's still a warrior and if there is one thing that can't be denied is that this man has taken the best names at Welter (except for PWill) and always comes in ready to fight and that's admirable in a fighter.
He did damage Cotto's career. Cotto fights differently nowadays. He doesn't pressure as much and he ran for the later part of the fight against Clottey. He also looks like he's a bit afraid to take a punch. Saying all that, he is still one of the top Welterweights and Clottey is no push over.
He doesn't pressure because he is now fighting guys his size and cannot longer bully them like he did on the past against smaller opponents. He's been fighting top class big Welters now.
you rooting for pac , mares?
i think marg can get the rematch next year if cotto losses.
Yeah I got Pac on this one, Cotto has a chance to win but I'm going with my boy Pac, I think he's going to swarm Cotto with punches and it's going to hit him like a mule, he's too fast and too explosive for Cotto and hopefully he will be elusive enough to get out of the hooks Cotto will try to land on him.
I was talking about taller and bigger. Clottey was about the same size or a bit bigger, Mosley was taller, Margarito was taller, Gomez was taller, Jennings was taller, Judah was about the same zize, Urkal was a bit taller and Quintana was taller also.
Is been a while since Cotto face a smaller fighter in terms of size.
Cotto is not as short as people make him out to be, he's an averaged size Welter but he's thicker than most regular Welters. That's one of the reasons he's been able to bully around so many past opponents because of his size (not height).
He got stunned bad by Walker and was lucky to have survived...
Bullshit, he took a knee because Walker was swarming him after landing a good bomb that shook him up, I thought it was the perfect thing to do in order to get his legs and senses back, afterward he knocked the living shit out of him.
:dunno: helpe me guys!
I do remember him in bad conditions after being hit by somebody I just cant remember..... it was walker???
the thing is if that guy stunned him!! I just dont know how he will resist vitali assault!!!
Yeah he took a slight knee against Walker cuz he was swarming him and throwing crazy ass bombs. He wasn't really hurt, he took a knee to fuel up and lad his own bombs against Walker right afterward.
we are talking about cotto....not DLH or JMM
remember that pac fight clean. he don't need plaster to win the fight
If thinking that makes you sleep better at night, by all means keep dreaming!
We all know Williams got a solid chin, no doubt about it, but he's never been hit by a big and solid MW specially one with heavy hands such as the Pav-Man, so this will be a big test for Williams, having said all of that I got Williams UD'ing Pavlik.
Nothing wrong with hindus but Shalafi is ashamed of his hindu heritage and desquises himself as a latino.
btw, he tries to use "salvatrucha" as a racial slur, which it isn't, at leas the thinks it is and then goes on saying that he hopes I'm not offending anyone for calling him hindu lol
I know what a Mala Salvatrucha means and no you retard I don't try to use it as a "racial slur" unlike you who hates Hindus for some weird reason. I call you that because you happen to be from el Salvador.
so it is you! no wonder you've been stalking me.
how's the cab driving industry going, buddy?
The only thing I'm driving is my phat dick all up in your momma's stinkhole.
how many times I gotta say this..
margo ain't shit without his size. margo already went to 154 and was forced to return to 147. his style is no good at 154 lbs.
only reason margo struggled with 147 lbs was because he was pulling a hatton in between fights.
again... margo is garbage at 154 lbs.
I wouldn't say he is garbage at 154, he didn't really stay there long and the only meaningful fight was against Santos who was weighting close to 20 lbs more than Tony during fight night and even then Santos was pissing blood by his shots. I think he can do more at 154 now this late in his career, if he were to come back early next year, I give him 2 to 3 years TOPS before calling it quits.
A record of 7 wins 5 by KO and 2 UD with 1 TD loss at 154lbs ain't too bad.
my mother: honduran & guatemalan + my father: guatemalan = salvadorean..
yes, it all makes sense to me now.
OK I made a mistake, I thought you were Salvadorian, all you Central Americans are the same anyway.
What's wrong with Hindus? They are great people. Actually the nicest you could ever see.
Apparently Sin City a Salvadorian hates Hindus and is suffering of dementia thinking I'm a Hindu for some reason, someone give this retard some pills.
no it has nothing to do with your name.. you simply look hindu.
anyway, go back to your shack you slumdog, you!
You wish you had my boyish good looks you pasty ass Guatemalteco.