Re : Willaims vs. Martinez- MOST OF YOU ARE IDIOTS.

Knee jerk reactions? Check. Not knowing how to score fights? Check. No concept of the basic rules of scoring fights? Check. Calling close fights robberies? Check. Rampant nationalism and bias coming out? Check. Closet racists chest thumping the loudest? Check. Not posting a score card because you didn't even attempt to score the fight but loudly screaming ROBBERY? Check. I find it funny that guys are screaming robbery on here that normally score for AGGRESSION (ineffective or otherwise) or at least claim they do since they never score shit but HERE because of nationalism, racism or just general fighter bias are now yelling Robbery. I had it a Draw. Props to both fighters. Stop shitting on either one. There should be a rematch. The 119 scorecards were insane. Both want one, let's do it. Stop shitting on the announce team. They were divided 50 percent which on a close fight like this with hard rounds to score makes sense. Shit on the culprits: the judges that had that insane score for a close fight (this is not a robbery just ridiculous judging. A robbery is when one person clearly won the fight and doesn't get it). I had it a draw personally. I'd be fine if Martinez had won it. He fought a GREAT fight. Both guys showed heart, courage and skill. Let's applaud them. Think that's the best post i've seen today. Good point. I did score the fight (roughly) and i thought it was a draw. A rematch must happen. The rest you already said. Check!

Maybe your problem is giving credit for PWill for extra bogus criteria. And calling this fight a robbery is justified. That last judge was clearly a PWill guy and if he had been replaced with an impartial judge it could have effected the outcome. What kind of criteria?

I've just finished watching the fight with the commentary turned off and had it 115-114 for Martinez. I don't have any problems with Williams winning the fight though. Judging, as we all know is subjective. This is especially highlighted in close fights. However, there is no defending an 119-110 score in that fight. It makes you feel like the Judge already had a winner in mind before the fight started and therefore made his scorecard fit his own agenda. I feel bad for Martinez but also for Williams because his victory is in danger of being overshadowed by a judge's ridiculous score. Good point I understand that sentiment

Is that really what you saw??? Anyways, after I watched the fight again this morning, Im even more convinced Paul won and while everybody is talking about scorecards, talk about Julie Lederman giving the last three rounds to Martinez cause thats bullshit. After rewatching, I also noticed the constant holding and several low blows from Martinez and give P.Will more credit for not complaining once Maybe your problem is giving credit for PWill for extra bogus criteria. And calling this fight a robbery is justified. That last judge was clearly a PWill guy and if he had been replaced with an impartial judge it could have effected the outcome.

Paul Williams had a look of defeat throughout the whole fight, he knew he was getting his ass kicked and he knew he had lost that fight, even after they announced him the "winner" he was in disbelief. I would of been fine with a draw also but everyone knows Martinez won that fight, landed at will, avoided most of the shots and displayed amazing boxing skills. Is that really what you saw??? Anyways, after I watched the fight again this morning, Im even more convinced Paul won and while everybody is talking about scorecards, talk about Julie Lederman giving the last three rounds to Martinez cause thats bullshit. After rewatching, I also noticed the constant holding and several low blows from Martinez and give P.Will more credit for not complaining once

Oh i almost forget. Check.

I watched it with spanish commentary on HBO this morning and the commentators were expressing how Paul Williams looked like he didn't even wanna raise his hand when they announced the victory..and didn't even smile..and I never seen Paul Williams do that even in his toughest victories he never stops smiling..he felt he lost as well and knows that scorecard was bullshit as soon as he heard it.. it was a close fight..but that one scorecard made the night sour!.. Well said, you can clearly tell by the look of a fighter after the fight, besides being all bloodied and cut up, Williams had the look of defeat the entire fight, specially after they announced him the "winner"

I watched it with spanish commentary on HBO this morning and the commentators were expressing how Paul Williams looked like he didn't even wanna raise his hand when they announced the victory..and didn't even smile..and I never seen Paul Williams do that even in his toughest victories he never stops smiling..he felt he lost as well and knows that scorecard was bullshit as soon as he heard it.. it was a close fight..but that one scorecard made the night sour!..

Knee jerk reactions? Check. Not knowing how to score fights? Check. No concept of the basic rules of scoring fights? Check. Calling close fights robberies? Check. Rampant nationalism and bias coming out? Check. Closet racists chest thumping the loudest? Check. Not posting a score card because you didn't even attempt to score the fight but loudly screaming ROBBERY? Check. I find it funny that guys are screaming robbery on here that normally score for AGGRESSION (ineffective or otherwise) or at least claim they do since they never score shit but HERE because of nationalism, racism or just general fighter bias are now yelling Robbery. I had it a Draw. Props to both fighters. Stop shitting on either one. There should be a rematch. The 119 scorecards were insane. Both want one, let's do it. Stop shitting on the announce team. They were divided 50 percent which on a close fight like this with hard rounds to score makes sense. Shit on the culprits: the judges that had that insane score for a close fight (this is not a robbery just ridiculous judging. A robbery is when one person clearly won the fight and doesn't get it). I had it a draw personally. I'd be fine if Martinez had won it. He fought a GREAT fight. Both guys showed heart, courage and skill. Let's applaud them. Paul Williams had a look of defeat throughout the whole fight, he knew he was getting his ass kicked and he knew he had lost that fight, even after they announced him the "winner" he was in disbelief. I would of been fine with a draw also but everyone knows Martinez won that fight, landed at will, avoided most of the shots and displayed amazing boxing skills.

I've just finished watching the fight with the commentary turned off and had it 115-114 for Martinez. I don't have any problems with Williams winning the fight though. Judging, as we all know is subjective. This is especially highlighted in close fights. However, there is no defending an 119-110 score in that fight. It makes you feel like the Judge already had a winner in mind before the fight started and therefore made his scorecard fit his own agenda. I feel bad for Martinez but also for Williams because his victory is in danger of being overshadowed by a judge's ridiculous score.

Kellerman did a good job last night - all his comments were fair. He wasn't biased against the foreign fighter. The only other time I recall him doing so well was during the Kessler-Calzaghe fight. Kudos. Good post. Green K sent. I know it hurt you to say that lol but way to man up.

I wish you were on the call last night. Reed said exactly what you are saying now, and I appreciate you sticking your neck out to say it. Many people on this board - mainly Pacquiao fans - are not fans of the sport. If you notice, they RARELY post about anything other than Pac. And it is never tactical in nature. Those are the fans who are always quick to say "lolz omg williams got exposed rofl ". That is what really turns me off about this board. This is a problem for most sports. A lot of fans I've noticed, UFC, MMA, NFL, NBA etc. are too busy jockriding something to be objective or EVEN ATTEMPT objectivity. I feel bad for Martinez. I really do. Tactical comment: Pwill having to adjust to another south paw with a lot of speed.

just watched it, I had it 115-113 for Williams, felt he did the better work in the last couple of round. feck knows what fight that "119-110" judge was watching.

No one is calling the decision a robbery, they are calling the scorecard one. Because what that scorecard implies, is that no matter what happened that judge was most likely always going to score it for paul, as if he was paid off or something. That is a robbery/fix, and it's ****ed up. martinez was robbed from a real scoring IMO, thats where the robbery comes in it.. it has nothing to do with the outcome. You guys seem to forget how loose the term robbery is. Untrue but you make a sensible point. I do however think that people are not even conceptually considering what judges might be looking for.

Lead Cenobite must have lead for brains...he's thick in the head! :lol1: Really? Because at the core I agree with you. I'm just laughing at how you are SUCH a pussy you can't even give Kellerman credit for last night. Want to debate any of the actual points in my post? Just keep hating on America you insecure douche. Don't actually try to debate facts. Didn't you score the Dirrell Froch fight for Froch based on AGGRESSION. Now you vote this fight Martinez based on clean punching. EXPLAIN.

I watching it just now, currently on round 7 I have it level.

Knee jerk reactions? Check. Not knowing how to score fights? Check. No concept of the basic rules of scoring fights? Check. Calling close fights robberies? Check. Rampant nationalism and bias coming out? Check. Closet racists chest thumping the loudest? Check. Not posting a score card because you didn't even attempt to score the fight but loudly screaming ROBBERY? Check. I find it funny that guys are screaming robbery on here that normally score for AGGRESSION (ineffective or otherwise) or at least claim they do since they never score shit but HERE because of nationalism, racism or just general fighter bias are now yelling Robbery. I had it a Draw. Props to both fighters. Stop shitting on either one. There should be a rematch. The 119 scorecards were insane. Both want one, let's do it. Stop shitting on the announce team. They were divided 50 percent which on a close fight like this with hard rounds to score makes sense. Shit on the culprits: the judges that had that insane score for a close fight (this is not a robbery just ridiculous judging. A robbery is when one person clearly won the fight and doesn't get it). I had it a draw personally. I'd be fine if Martinez had won it. He fought a GREAT fight. Both guys showed heart, courage and skill. Let's applaud them. No one is calling the decision a robbery, they are calling the scorecard one. Because what that scorecard implies, is that no matter what happened that judge was most likely always going to score it for paul, as if he was paid off or something. That is a robbery/fix, and it's ****ed up. martinez was robbed from a real scoring IMO, thats where the robbery comes in it.. it has nothing to do with the outcome. You guys seem to forget how loose the term robbery is.

Calling a fight a draw cuz he wants to sound intelligent and doesn't wanna get bashed from either side? Check Paul Deserved the win, but not the 119-110 scorecard

Completely agree, especially your rational for the fact that Martinez won. i have no problem with that assessment....

Said this in another thread. The decision going Williams' way was not a robbery. The judge who scored the fight 119-110 showed that he would have robbed Martinez. Good point