http://www.pacquiaovideo.com/2009/09/ring-magazine-pound-for-pound-ranking.html
the ring had him number 3 p4p4
Just like i said. That's the p4p ranking from September 21, 2009.
Mosley fought Mayweather in May 2010 after 14 months without boxing.
It was big due to who they were. Two great fighters. If one was a hype job, as you put it, it would NOT have great meaning, as again, you put it.
Just like Frazier losing to Foreman by a thousand knock downs. That was huge for several reasons. Foreman toyed with someone that beat Ali. Secondly, it put more drama/shock into what was to follow ..... Ali beating Foreman. Did that make Frazier a hype job? Ali a hype job before he beat Foreman? Was Foreman a hype job? No, No and No!!!
You need to realize you're wasting your time. This guy is a hater. He won't make sense with logical arguments cuz he's predisposed to anything coming from Pacquiao.
That "hype job" gave us the fight of the year a few months ago.
I already consider Mayweather as one of the best boxing has ever seen. That being said, I also believe, to be as talented as he is, Floyd doesn't challenge himself like all-time greats in the past have (see Sugar Ray Robinson). For those who don't consider Floyd an ATG, would moving up in weight and defeating Sergio Martinez to become the middleweight champion of the world change your opinion?
As much as i don't like Floyd, that's not a fair weight for Mayweather.
Why not 154? And i agree, he's a very skilled guy, but doesn't challenge himself like all-time greats in the past have.
http://www.pacquiaovideo.com/2009/09/ring-magazine-pound-for-pound-ranking.html
the ring had him number 3 p4p4
Just like i said. That's the p4p ranking from September 21, 2009.
Mosley fought Mayweather in May 2010 after 14 months without boxing. He wasn't a top 10 p4p at the time.
I should elaborate I thought most knew , WW is where he is a fabricated hype job , you want to discuss it ? starting from where ? the ducking off Floyds 50/50 offer , the ducking of Mosley when in form at 143 , the ducking of Cotto WITHOUT a CW , the bribing officials to get Margo a licence and then CW him and put the sloth in 26 ft ring lol , man if you really look past the name value of his WW resume its a rort ! and hense my comment , he got face planted because thats the fate of rorters and hype not ATG WW fighters .
haha.. Like facing Hatton @147
Ducking Margarito to fight Baldomir.
Sucker Punching Ortiz.
Ducking Mosley since 2000.
Like ducking Pacquiao with the lamest excuses on earth. "Health first. Not interested about boxing. Vacations. No 50-50. No 55-45. No PPV revenue"
Your arguments are a joke, just like you are. If he's just a hype job, Why does Mayweather brings all these excuses instead of fighting him and earn that "easy money". That's the question that fanboys like you have never been able to answer.
He got his face planted cuz that's the risk you take when you face real opposition and top pound x pound fighters.
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mosley was , now let's make up reasons why he shouldn't have been top 10.
Top WW, for sure. But Top 10 p4p i don't think so. He was ranked #3 in 2009, but due his 14 months without boxing, he was out.
Thing is your argument is speculation and hype , mine is hard coded fact and numbers , you boys lose reality because of hype , history doesnt .
Speculations? lmao.. Ok, lets see.
Did he fought Hatton @ his natural weight class ?
Was Baldomir the biggest challenge at the time ?
Was his victory against Ortiz a clean one ?
Did he fought a prime Mosley ?
How many excuses Floyd brought to the table to duck Manny ?
Was Ortiz a top 10 p4p ? Mosley ? Guerrero ?
That's all i need to know! Next!
canelo already body bagged him in sparring.
Rumors are the other way around. GGG hurts Canelo in sparring.
It's funny how obvious is your nationalism in all your comments.
Google Traslated reasons:
Saul Canelo Alvarez sets conditions to fight on May 4 on the Billboard Floyd Mayweather Jr. headed to Las Vegas. If no guarantee WBC junior middleweight champion, fight the best pound for pound in September, canceled his affront May.
"We arrived in Los Angeles on Thursday. Floyd for that day If you have not signed our commitment to September, definitely not fight on May 4 in the evening you have prepared and see if we fight April 20 or a week after the battle of May, "conditioned the Guadalajara fighter.
Google Traslated reasons:
Saul Canelo Alvarez sets conditions to fight on May 4 on the Billboard Floyd Mayweather Jr. headed to Las Vegas. If no guarantee WBC junior middleweight champion, fight the best pound for pound in September, canceled his affront May.
"We arrived in Los Angeles on Thursday. Floyd for that day If you have not signed our commitment to September, definitely not fight on May 4 in the evening you have prepared and see if we fight April 20 or a week after the battle of May, "conditioned the Guadalajara fighter.
From a scale of 1-10 how stupid are you?There`s no guarantee Canelo beats Trout you idiot.Canelo wants a guarantee fight at Floyd regardless if he loses to Trout or not.If Floyd signs to fight Canelo and Canelo loses to Trout how is that gonna make Floyd look if he fights Canelo?
Yeah... cuz Floyd is fighting Trout if he wins right? :rofl:
Yeah and what would be your excuse when Floyd fights Trout if Trouts beats Canelo?
Oh I know,you`ll say:Trout only beat a washed up Cotto and a overhyped Canelo who never beat anybody,Floyd is cherrypicking"
Chief, read this.... Floyd is not fighting Trout if he wins. And i'm rooting for Trout over Canelo.
imagine what would have happened if Manny just said from the beginning "yeah I'll take the test, no problem."
We don't need to imagine that....After Pacquiao agreed with testing, Floyd came with the NO 50-50... 40 mills and no PPV revenue bull*****.
Amazing how easily you forget that detail.
how are these tools gonna work against mayweather? they won't. first of all pac needs a good crisp jab (to off set mayweather) which he doesn't have. coming in at different angles, shooting a left (thats not set up behind a jab) or anything besides 2 faints will become predicable to mayweather after 2 rounds & he will proceed to pick pac off.
if you're shooting a left and it's not set up or disguised by anything (like a jab) it's gonna become too predictable & mayweather will figure it out after 2 rounds. some of you guys sell mayweather way short...........like he's a bum or something.
Indeed, Pacquiao is not known for a great jab. But he was doing great with the jab against Marquez IV.
And i don't get you final line. I'm not selling Mayweather short. I'm just saying people only focus in Pacquiaos flaws when it comes to talk about a possible Mayweather fight....
Testing isn't that big a deal. It was simple blood testing. After agreeing to manny's requests, floyd requested something that in no way shape or form affected manny's abilty to fight.
Manny has only implemented testing for his upcoming fght with rios. Manny wanted 50/50 to agree to ped testing and floyd said no. If you have no problem with Manny refusing the ped testing you should be ok with this.
The $40 mil offer was much later. Terrible offer. But I've noticed fighters like floyd, canelo, kovalev and many others have taken a crappy deal to get a fight they truly want. So please don't act as if manny is too good to do the same thing.
It all depends on whose perspective you wish to see it from.
Wow...Well, I think it's fair that we can use the same logic with Mayweather. We're talking about the biggest fight out there. Talking about a fight where both guys would get about 100 mills.
And you tell me that "if Pac really wanted the fight" he should have taken that offensive offer.
Floyd would have said, "40M flat and zero PPV for you Pacman. And you have to leave Arum and be with TMT. "
^This right here.
You can add "Going on vacation to spend quality time with my family"
I like Pacquiao a lot, but I have to speak my piece about this fight.
Pacquiao is a herky jerky fireball. He's so frenetic, always in motion and moves well. The two issues I see with him now (that Mayweather would exploit) are his tendency to drop his hands and get hit with counters when attacking along with his mindset now after a couple of losses and the things going on in his life.
Manny has always had a problem getting hit by good counter-punchers. JMM is the best example. He figured Pacquiao out by the fourth fight and started timing him. I've never seen Manny hurt like he was after the first knockdown, and even though he seemed to turn the fight, he ran into a devastating punch. Between that, his family life, and political aspirations, I just don't know if he still has the warrior mentality that propelled him to do great things in the sport.
The fight against Rios will tell us a lot about Pacquiao. I'd be surprised if he lost, but this is certainly no gimme. If he looks good, expect the Mayweather talk to begin anew.
Floyd does a lot of things great, and I cannot find any weakness in him. Manny's best bet would be to just do his thing and hope it works against Floyd. If Floyd figures him out, can he adjust and change his fight plan? That remains to be seen. I think Manny does well early, but Floyd gradually takes control and wins a close, but undisputed, decision.
Agree with your points.
Mayweather said Pacquiao needs to get past Marquez and Bradley before having a chance to fight him. So the bs will continue no matter what.
He doesn't have the brain to beat Floyd; he let Marquez hit him with the same punch for 4 fights which tells me he isn't smart enough in the ring. He wants to fight on the outside which he wouldn't be able to do vs Floyd.
This is going to sound crazy, but maybe....just maybe...Styles make fights.
Pacquiao is a brawler and Mayweather is a boxer. It's easier to hit a brawler with a big shot when you're a good counter puncher.
And btw, Pacquiao likes to fight toe to toe. IMHO the fight is 70-30 Mayweather, but i'll be rooting for Pacquiao all night if the fight happens.
Neither did I. But the kid made a brilliant fight and defeated Matthysse, a guy i thought would murder Garcia. So, he deserves all the credit in the world.
I used to look at him like a "basic" fighter with a good punching power...but he proved me wrong. He is more complicated than that.
Because he didn't sell as much or generate as much as floyd.
Mayweather is the biggest PPV attraction in boxing. But that's not only by himself. For Mayweather/Guerrero, Canelo left the undercard.... and what happened? Not even 1 Mill PPV.... Same with Pacquiao/Bradley.
They both need opposition with a good fanbase to make more than 1MM PPV buys.
I don't think it would be anywhere near as close as you think. Pacquiao's reach and length (or lack thereof) would not work well for him. Floyd is a master at controlling pace and distance while Pacquiao has been frustrated by even basic movement in recent years (Bradley and Mosley). Pacquiao has also shown repeatedly to be wide open for right hands at certain points in his attack and that you can force him to reset again and again (Marquez III and the last 3 rounds of Bradley). How long before Floyd would figure that out? 4 rounds at most? A little movement and timing can nullify Pac in recent years, so even a second Bradley fight would be dangerous for Pac. Throw Floyd's handspeed and reflexes into the mix and it is suicide watch in Pacland.
That's how we call "get in the bike" nowadays? Pacquiao was chasing Mosley and Bradley all night and beat them both (Waiting for the Bradley "officialy" beat Pacquiao bs)
Agree with some of your points, but your focus is on Pacquiao's flaws. He have some tools too. Angles attack, combinations, big left, stamina.
Come buddy be serious , Canelo is a better win than any WW .
Name the prime WW you want Floyd to fight ?
That's confusing when you consider that Guerrero was closer to beat Floyd than Canelo. And of course, neither of them were close.