Pacquiao is the only guy that can beat mayweather

i don't have to watch sparring, i watch the actual fights. Based on which fight did he lose his foorwork?

Yes it is, watch their sparring. i don't have to watch sparring, i watch the actual fights.

I agree with Floyd on this one. That's why I can't blame Money Mayweather for ducking this fight.

can we actually see how he looks vs rios? and i say that as someone who believe this before he seemed stumped by the marquez puzzle, figured it out only to get sparked out. castillo's pressure= pacquiao's workrate awesome footspeed-hatton awesome handspeed-judah those are all things that pac has that has troubled mayweather in some form. Yeah I agree the rios fight should tell us more, however as it stands manny is still the only guy that can ( not saying will) beat mayweather

the same things can be said about amir khan his footspeed/footwork isn't anywhere near as good.

And mayweather himself knows this. Pacquiao beat bradley. Pacquiao vs marquez 4, that's the best I have seen pacquiao since the margarito fight till he got hit with one punch he never saw coming. That's boxing. I just don't get why everyone is claiming pac is done, he's lost before and he came back even stronger. Pacquiao is the only guy who can beat Floyd. can we actually see how he looks vs rios? and i say that as someone who believe this before he seemed stumped by the marquez puzzle, figured it out only to get sparked out. castillo's pressure= pacquiao's workrate awesome footspeed-hatton awesome handspeed-judah those are all things that pac has that has troubled mayweather in some form.

:rofl: Where are your statistics on this? Please dont link the Pacland website. and you said that I'm delusional? Sheeeeez, just go check out the video and find out for yourself so you can stop posting nonsense on this subject. The stumble happened. You should have at least taken the route of whether it would have made a difference like the other poster did but like I said, after several posts of yours, one can conclude that you are too far gone.

So your opinion equals everyone else's :lol1: :Flush: On the subject of "Did Manny stumble/trip up just prior to the KO" ..... YES everyone agrees that that happened .... oh yeah, EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU!!! :wave:

:lol1: :lol1: the idiot pac fans live on :crucified You are a lost case. Can't even admit that Manny was tripped up/stumbled prior to getting KOed. At least the other poster admitted to that so you can't even agree to that guy or EVERYONE ELSE! :rofl:

Even if he didn't trip the result would still be the same, deal with it already FFS. Like I said in that post: It's a chain reaction. One event prior to another can change the outcome of what is to follow. I can't say with 100% accuracy that the event doesn't still happen but there is a good possibility that it does change what is to follow. You are saying that an event prior to another would make no difference while I'm saying it could but can't say for sure. I would go with what I'm saying over your statement as I leave some room for that either situation is possible and that is more accurate than thinking the way you are thinking ..... deal with it!

What I'm saying is a fact and you can see it on tape. So not sure what you are seeing and consequently should be looking in the mirror and then saying the word delusional. Man, I even told you that if you would be taking a different angle/approach, I would agree with you but you, the truly delusional one, are barking up the wrong tree as Manny was NOT tripped up every other time and managed to pull away from the punch (react) but that time, Manny just tripped up prior to being hit by Marquez and was reacting to the stumble/trip and his body was NOT reacting to the punch like in round #5. If Manny hadn't stumbled, he would have jabbed Marquez and that incoming punch perhaps would not land or not as hard or maybe Marquez would be the one getting hurt like in the round before when Marquez got hit while trying to hit Manny. It's a chain reaction. One event prior to another can change the outcome of what is to follow. I can't say with 100% accuracy that the event doesn't still happen but there is a good possibility that it does change what is to follow. Everyone but you knows that Manny stumbled/tripped up prior to being KOed. EVERYONE ..... but YOU!!! :wave: Even if he didn't trip the result would still be the same, deal with it already FFS.

You're beyond delusion. this is why manny's fans are still the worst in boxing lol he doesn't make excuses but you just make them up for him, then when he does make excuses you go along with it haha! awesome :slap: What I'm saying is a fact and you can see it on tape. So not sure what you are seeing and consequently should be looking in the mirror and then saying the word delusional. Man, I even told you that if you would be taking a different angle/approach, I would agree with you but you, the truly delusional one, are barking up the wrong tree as Manny was NOT tripped up every other time and managed to pull away from the punch (react) but that time, Manny just tripped up prior to being hit by Marquez and was reacting to the stumble/trip and his body was NOT reacting to the punch like in round #5. If Manny hadn't stumbled, he would have jabbed Marquez and that incoming punch perhaps would not land or not as hard or maybe Marquez would be the one getting hurt like in the round before when Marquez got hit while trying to hit Manny. It's a chain reaction. One event prior to another can change the outcome of what is to follow. I can't say with 100% accuracy that the event doesn't still happen but there is a good possibility that it does change what is to follow. Everyone but you knows that Manny stumbled/tripped up prior to being KOed. EVERYONE ..... but YOU!!! :wave:

He didn't trip he was attacking and got countered. So you're saying that Manny has the defensive ability to actually get out of the way of that shot? :rofl: He would've needed the matrix to avoid that punch because he was so intent on trying to finish Marquez. Manny is irresponsible defensively and it gets him caught. This isn't the first time he was KTFO :wave::wave: You just had to say that I don't want to see the video as that would provide the proof. You would then see that Manny tripped over Marquez's foot just prior to Marquez KOing Manny. If you would be discussing that Marquez had been practicing that counter and all that, I have no problem with that aspect of it but to say that Manny didn't stumble/trip up just prior to that is incorrect/wrong!

so why did manny turn down the fight then when it was a 50/50 fight and floyd signed the contract an manny turned it down over drug testing ?!? cuz he didnt wana get caught At the time, Manny's most recent loss was against Morales. Just before that fight Manny was asked to withdraw blood. Manny felt weak and Morales also said that his punches were not as hard as he expected they would be. Maybe it's all psychological but you don't want to go into the biggest fight of your life thinking that way. That plus Floyd and his team ACCUSED Manny of taking PEDs. If you want someone to sign a contract, you don't pull a line like that with NO PROOF. Still, Manny and Floyd both agreed to extra testing but the cut-off dates had a difference of 7 days. After that, Floyd kept on back-tracking while Manny kept on agreeing to Floyd's demands on testing.

Yup they are getting more confident because "another fighter", not Floyd, beat Manny who tripped into a punch head first. Just like with Cotto, Mosley and Oscar, Floyd would only want to fight a less riskier version of Manny not the one of 2009/2010. Man they (Floyd and Sr) are still spooked in 2013!!! so why did manny turn down the fight then when it was a 50/50 fight and floyd signed the contract an manny turned it down over drug testing ?!? cuz he didnt wana get caught

He didn't trip at all. A trip is a stumble. Manny didn't stumble into anything, he was getting clocked with that same punch overr and over all fight because of his lazy double jab technique it was only a matte of time before Marquez landed the killshot. So if he was getting clocked over and over again and "nothing" happened (not even a knock down) and in round 6 he was KOed then that should have answered your question about what happened. Again, go check out round #5 and round #6. In round #5 Manny moved back just enough. So his body reacted to the punch but in round #6, Manny tripped up, missed his punch and Marquez KOed Manny. What happened happened as it's all part of boxing but For you to say that Manny didn't trip/stumble is completely wrong. Go check it out before you respond next time.

Pac didnt trip over **** ! , he threw a lazy ass jab marquez saw it coming , he simply slipped it and threw an overhand right and got knocked the **** out !! pac cannot beat floyd ! get over it he couldnt knock out bradley or marquez . bradley isnt close to mayweather at all and floyd made marquez look like an ametuer !

wait.........huh???! :rofl: :rofl: Go check out the replay. Just before Marquez hits Manny, Manny trips over Marquez's foot and that was the difference between Manny being able to react and brace for a punch (EXAMPLE: See round #5) and completely missing his punch (jab) and his body reacting to the trip and NOT able to react to the oncoming punch that was to follow (EXAMPLE: See round #6). At least I made you laugh ..... you made me do this when you spoke about those rivalries :dunno:

They will ignore this and they ignore his tone of voice, body language, temper when discussing Pacman. They are like abusive girlfriends who always stick up for their boyfriend and say he is just misunderstood and can do no wrong. Yup they are getting more confident because "another fighter", not Floyd, beat Manny who tripped into a punch head first. Just like with Cotto, Mosley and Oscar, Floyd would only want to fight a less riskier version of Manny not the one of 2009/2010. Man they (Floyd and Sr) are still spooked in 2013!!!

Manny attacked an old man and couldnt finish him. Mayweather is NOT Mosley. Manny isn't as great a finisher as people want to believe. How many KO's has he had since 2010? Less than Mayweather? lol Manny's head movement and wasteful foot movement is too easy to time for a Old Marquez or a Mayweather or old Morales. Funny but you make it sound like only Manny fought an old version of Mosley. Floyd did too and that version was inactive for almost 1.5 years! Manny knocked Mosley down and had him on the run. Floyd didn't knock down Mosley even though Mosley was always in front of him. So not sure why you are laughing. Anways, like I said in the other post above, Floyd, Floyd SR and company were all talking differently and not feeling as confident as you ..... "health comes first" Manny vs Morales 2-1 Manny vs Marquez 2-1-1 Manny vs Floyd 0-0 By the way, don't put Floyd in the same sentence as Morales and Marquez who actually fought Manny 7 times. Floyd and his fans can only talk about it and pretend that they would have won because "another guy did it". Triangle theories don't work. Ask Foreman who destroyed Frazier and Norton if he destroyed Ali.