Hey guys, don’t be monkies. Give respect to the true warrior.
1. Jirov is a world class boxer with a great pedigree, fearless heart and unique style. If he’s shaped he’s one of the most exciting fighters of today’s boxing.
2. He never was as strong as Bell or Mormeck are and his opponents at cruiserweight was not very strong.
3. JT is an ATG and you can’t talk trash about Vassily for losing the close fight.
3. Jirov’s best fight was the Mesi war in which Joe was KOed.
4. He’s past his prime at present.
5. He never will be champ again.
6. If he will be able to prepare himself well he will give hard time to any boxer at C- or H-weight.
I’ll forever be his fan. I wish him big paydays and health until and after the end of the boxing career.
gee aren't you a dumb kunt..... I’m here to discuss. You’re here to talk shit about others. You’re a degenerate.
how can you not call judah a true champion
Did you ever read my post? If you want to know what I really wrote read it again.
go to boxrec.com and look at tszyu's record,,,,and then look at the records of the individuals he fought...... My post isn’t about statistics but about the true opposition in the ring. Statistics doesn’t make boxers – boxers make statistics. Anyhow if to look at the statistics of Tszyu’s opponents it’s clear that it’s high but not highest.
you were saying that he wasn't tested.........i said look at the stats of all his opponents.......all of his opponents have excellent records and were very very worthy contenders........if all of the #1 challengers and title holders of the other belts aren't worthy opponents for tszyu......what could he do then??? he fought the best and the other title holders and beat them all............what else could he do?It will be very interesting to watch at the fight Tszyu vs Mayweather. Each of them can prove his greatness in this match.
Gatti, Harris, De La Hoya, Judah (if he will hold his nerves in good shape), Mosley, Margarito. Victories over Mayweather and one or two of the the fighters listed will make me confident that Tszyu is one of the greatest jr. welterweights in history. And now of course, he’s a Hall OF Famer yet but I think he’s just a very strong champ like Trinidad, Fenech, McCellan, Julian Jackson and others.
shut up man, in recent fights ricky's shown he can box aswell as fight and come sunday he;ll show it again. You underestimate hatton and overestimate zoo. If it comes to war, and it more than likely, than hattons got the heart and determination to win it. If it comes to boxing then mr one-dimensional is going to surprise a few people in my opionion. Also hatton will test kostya, no doubt about it and to be a true champ, in my opionion, you have to be ranked number 1 aswell as being champion, which hatton will be by next week.Don’t boor man, visit a gym more often and you’ll learn how to respect others.
I don’t underestimate Richard and that’s why I guess he will not be KOed until 7th round. But I don’t think he will not be able to stay more ‘cause his experience is too small. Days ago he said Magee helped him to become a true warrior. I think Magee isn’t enough. I believe he will be able to change many details of his style but there are too many details to change. May be he could become the fighter who could defeat Tszyu yet but there were not enough quantity of hard bouts to test these new skills.
How can I overestimate fighter who can defeat his opponent by one punch. How can I overestimate fighter who defended his world title (real title) more than 10 times and almost each bout was ended by a KO/TKO? I say that he will defend it against another good pretender who probably will slightly tougher than others. I say just that and no more. Remember Urkal, Leija, Hurtado – they can do some things that Richard can’t but they were also outboxed. Ricky’s punch is weaker than Kostya’s one and it’s a fact. I say again I believe he will be the best pretender but Warren didn’t let him get enough experience. There are Ricky’s successes in the near future not today. I'm not the type of guy to be negative and say hatton's aint fought nobody therfore he could struggle against someone of zoo's class, i always try to be postitive and if sometimes that make me seem dumb and makes me seem as if records mean shit then so be it. I can live with that.I don’t say about who I like or not. I say about facts and probabilities.
if i'm dumb :)
This cretin (moochi) said all this about me but posted a quote of your words. His brain is too poor to post the correct quote...
So you musn't answer him - it's my job:)
I'm not the type of guy to be negative and say hatton's aint fought nobody therfore he could struggle against someone of zoo's class, i always try to be postitive and if sometimes that make me seem dumb and makes me seem as if records mean shit then so be it. I can live with that.I don’t say about who I like or not. I say about facts and probabilities.
You mean like Zab Judah?He and Sharmba showed that they could be a big problem for Kostya. But they did too little to be it. Pernell was a boxer of the other level of skill and nerves.
Tszyu was never tested as hard as Pernell. For example we can’t even compare JC Chavez of 1993 (Pea’s opponent) and JC Chavez of 2000 (Tszyu’s opponent).
Kostya has met the best contenders but he has never met true champions (Judah was slightly mad that night and showed nothing but nerves). Pernell had many fights of such level.
It’s a very important factor.
Philips' oppositon is poor. For example McKArt was far over the hill in the Philips fight. I don't know how good was Verno in the past but now he is an easy food for each boxer with good skills. His head is always at the level of his opponent’s belt, he doesn’t see the target, he doesn’t know what is tactics, he doesn’t know how to defend himself by hands.
Quartey KO/TKO 4.
Roy Jones lost to Gerald McClellan at the 1988 Golden Gloves and would of lost to him again as a pro. People forget that Ring Magazine had G-Man McClellan as their number one Middleweight in 1993 and 1994, Roy Jones was number two, it was McClellan who was number one.
in this thread - http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36624 there is this:
In checking his bio, he really didn't have a large amount of
amateur accomplishments. He started boxing in 1979 at the age of 10
and went to the Olympics 9 years later. He won the 1984 Junior
Olympics; won the 1986 Golden Gloves (at 139 Lbs.); lost in the 1986
Goodwill Games in the semis to Ruzhnikov of Russia; won the 1987
Golden Gloves; lost in the 1988 U.S. Championships in the prelims to
Liles; lost to Gerald McClellan in the semis at the 1988 Golden
Gloves, won the Olympic Trials and Box-Offs (as stated above).Thank you very much!!
These divisions are so full of stars that Jesus is in the shadow of them. He lost all his main fights. He needs some big victories. JM Marquez was also in the shadow for a long time but now he has almost the same respect as EM and MAB.
Jirov's defense is awful, and he CAN'T COUNTERPUNCH, he's like a bigger version of Ike Quartey, he waits for the opponent to finish the combo, then fires a combo of his own, it's boring to watch and is never effective vs. quality fighters....Jirov won the I. B.e F.raudulent belt vs. Arthur Williams....so far that's the biggest victory of his 9 year career....Arthur Williams, think about it people...
I'd agree with you some years ago. But in the bout with Mesi he showed that he can be a great fighter. Powerful Joe made him move and seek decisions. And Vassily won that fight.
I think the victory in that fight gave him too big selfconfidence and that’s why he lost to Moorer. Good trainer could help him to capture some heights of heavyweight division. If he become careful he could simply become top contender.Moorer is bad fighterYou know I truly believe that Vassily could KO THAT Moorer in their bout. But in the early 90ies Moorer was much better than Jirov. Young Moorer would destroy Jirov without some problems.Moore is not that bad of a fighter he has an extensive amateur backround, and he has really good power and he just got lucky in the Jirov fight and caught Jirov.Vassily was trying to break Moorer. He was standing and hitting. And Moorer who was heavier by 30 lbs was simply answering. One of the Moorers’ punches must become lucky and it did.Jirov is good boxer but not in heavyweight.He should know his advantages and disadvantages but he tries to break the guys who are much bigger than him. It’s not right.If the guy's defense was as good as his offense, I'd say that he could be the top cruiserweight, or a top-ten heavyweight. But unless he does some HUGE work on his defense, it's never gonna happen.For sure you’re right but his main problem is psychology. He wants to beat lions and do it like a lion. But he is a wolf and must fight like a wolf.
In the Mesi fight I saw him moving for the first time. Before that fight he didn’t need it.
And it was the first and the last time he used it.Moorer is bad fighterYou know I truly believe that Vassily could KO THAT Moorer in their bout. But in the early 90ies Moorer was much better than Jirov. Young Moorer would destroy Jirov without some problems.
If the guy's defense was as good as his offense, I'd say that he could be the top cruiserweight, or a top-ten heavyweight. But unless he does some HUGE work on his defense, it's never gonna happen.For sure you’re right but his main problem is psychology. He wants to beat lions and do it like a lion. But he is a wolf and must fight like a wolf.
In the Mesi fight I saw him moving for the first time. Before that fight he didn’t need it.
And it was the first and the last time he used it.
Moore is not that bad of a fighter he has an extensive amateur backround, and he has really good power and he just got lucky in the Jirov fight and caught Jirov.Vassily was trying to break Moorer. He was standing and hitting. And Moorer who was heavier by 30 lbs was simply answering. One of the Moorers’ punches must become lucky and it did.
Moorer is bad fighterYou know I truly believe that Vassily could KO THAT Moorer in their bout. But in the early 90ies Moorer was much better than Jirov. Young Moorer would destroy Jirov without some problems.
The last Jirov’s bout was sad. I didn’t see it yet but he only won by UD. I saw the recent cruiserweight bout of Beets versus Vadim Tokarev who is strong but one-dimensional and awkward. And i can say that Beets is very weak. Beets lost by TKO.
Vassily was only 206lbs...
Who knows anything more about this bout and its details?
Jirov is good boxer but not in heavyweight.He should know his advantages and disadvantages but he tries to break the guys who are much bigger than him. It’s not right.
I saw Valuev fight on the undercard of Green VS Beyer 1, and he couldn't even Ko a crap aussie HW named Bob Miravic, bib has a solide chin but was slow and tired near the end, and valuev got so worn out too that he could hurt Miravic, to me that is a really shit boxer.You’re absolutely right. That fight was bad. Nik hasn’t stability yet. The fight vs Atilla Levin is his best one. He’s not a best technician in the HW division but he’s a good boxer and always improves.
if he was a smallerHe would be other and has other aces.I've seen him fight Dominguez, Nobles, Levin, Etienne - and I still think anyone that can move could pull out a UD over him.There is a reason in your words. But it’s not as big as Nik:) Tell me please who can move in this division today? It’s Rahman (when he’s shaped), it’s Brewster, it’s Tua with Tyson if they haven’t lost their skills. These men have chances. But who else?I picked Ruiz by DQ since Valuev's last 2 fights would have been DQ losses if they took place in the States. The Etienne fight for sure.What are you talking about? What did Nik do that deserves DQ?The better question is how the fuck did this clumsy 7 foot sack of potatoes become #1 contender?
Why not? How should John get it?
ouma wins this fight easily. His hand speed and ammount of punches wear spinks down. Late round KOSpinks will not let him to approach. Cory moves far better in the ring.
Did you read that Jantuah suffered diarrhoea before his fight versus Ouma? It’s true.