I think Adam Booth is a smug arsehole but he's smart and he's got too much integrity for that. I'm convinced he left Haye because of the injuries and wanting him to stay in retirement.
Booth didn't leave Haye,
I know Booth is viewed as being a smug arsehole but him and David had a great relationship, he knows how to manage and train the guy, while their was genuine trust between trainer & fighter, but only David can answer why he isn't with Booth, because Haye needs an experienced trainer in his corner, not some young pup looking up to him in awe.
d Haye's injury! (The levels of sportsmanship being shown is a disgrace!).......whatever David Haye has lost inside of himself? he needs to find it again! from my perspective there is no way a man, and fighter of David Haye's ability and stature can retire from the game like this..
If Haye is reading this, he needs to pick up the phone and return to Adam Booth. It's the only way. You surround yourself with people who care, people who know you inside and out and that is how Haye can end his career on a high.
I say high because Haye simply isn't the fighter he was, but rematch with Bellew. Booth in his corner and end his career with some respect.
It was actually quite sad to see David Haye in that condition. Swinging like a town drunk from the first bell, no composure, erratic and he looked bloated. in complete contrast to Haye of his prime.
Regardless of how you view Haye and his ability, even his biggest critic knows Haye has skills but while Haye may have genetics to match a Greek God, you can't control your body as you get older, it controls you.
Haye is simply finished as a HW fighter. Compare the condition of Haye from 2012 when he faced Dereck Chisora - that was his perfect size.
Also back then he was surrounded by the right people and once you surround yourself with the wrong crowd, they drag you down to their level.
Listen my friend David Haye, you have had a great career but time is against you and I'm telling you this from experience, when you get older, and bitter and desperate, there is only one outcome. FAILURE!!
When someone of Hayes ability is losing to a fat boy like Bellew, it's time to accept your career is ending with ridicule but make no mistake, Bellew and his boys respect Haye for his boxing career, what he's achieved and they will be envious of his genetics, they just enjoy having their moment because it doesn't come often!
Oh and David Haye if you're reading this and you refuse to retire, please return to Adam Booth, you were pals for a long time, more than trainer/student, it was a team effort. Go for a drink, have a chat and if you really have to fight again, end your career with the man who helped you achieve your ambitions.
Being 4-1 up in a 12 round fight does not mean you are "winning" if you are up against an opponent with superior stamina who is trying to take you into the later rounds and you are missing with most of your punches and not hurting him with the few you manage to land.
And do you even know that Haye was 4-1 up on the judges cards? All of the first 5 rounds were very close and they might have given Bellew more than 1.
If a one legged Haye is still dangerous in a fight, heading into round 11, that doesn't say much for your opponent.
However, Haye should have won within 4 but he had no gameplan, no tactics. If you walk into the ring with no respect for your opponent and can't knock him down, what next? Win on points, which would have happened if Haye had any sort of gameplan (and wasn't injured), but it was a dogfight.
As for the superior stamina, Bellew was breathing heavy first and as Bellew has never fought at this weight before, how can you or anyone say he has superior stamina? ...unless you mean against a man with one leg?
Lucky for Haye the feedback he is getting on IG and Twitter and all over the gaff is amazing, basically the way he fought has rejuvenated his reputation
He lost yes, but he fought like a champion
Also those PPV numbers were impressive from what i heard, Haye still is the most lucrative HW in the UK, when he is matched up against a decent name..
The Brits love a loser, aslong as he gives it everything and puts his heart on the line...If Haye can get himself together, he can go for that rematch
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People on Boxingscene will not understand, because most of you dont live in the real world....Haye just brought himself back from the dead...won his respect back in the UK, now if his leg heals, he can give it another try
Put it this way when Fury beat Wlad, he didnt get half the praise Haye is getting. Even Jousha hasnt got this kind of praise....you have so many women on twitter and on IG calling Haye "Brave", he has the casual market in his pocket. You rarely see birds talking about boxing....Jousha vs Haye would probably have broken all kinds of records
As they say in football (soccer to the yanks) It's a funny old game.
Haye losing to a fat cruiserweight has resulted in him being respected to a level, never seen before. Why? because different words came out of his mouth and he showed heart.
Hes always had heart and he's always been a decent guy,.
I agree with you. However Haye is an idiot because, while he sold the fight, he put himself in a situation where he could not perform. There is something to be said for being a man of your word... Haye demonstrated why this is part of our social contract.
With that said he was indeed in a pickle and he would have probably gotten more sympathy if he sold the fight and then stopped with the threats.
I've never seen Haye come across so bitter and angry. Outside the ring he is an intelligent switched on guy but this selling of the fight, the persona he adopts - no wonder everyone dislikes the guy.
Make yourself look stupid, angry and bitter, just to sell tickets. This only works if you win.
It wasn't just Haye's stamina that Bellew was trying to test. Remember him going on and on at the final presser about knowing that Haye was carrying some kind of injury?
He kept saying Haye was going to break down after 5 or 6 rounds and had built his game plan around that assumption, which turned out to be correct!
I wonder if a rematch would sell as many tickets, now that the grudge/needle element has been taken out of the equation?
They could hardly could go back to that again, after the love in at the end of the fight. If they wanted a rematch, they should have done a Froch/Groves. Maybe Hearn would have whispered something about that in Bellew's ear, if Tony hadn't shrugged him off and gone straight over to Haye.
Bellew was saying many things before the fight that weren't true, such as "Haye could have fought anyone" yet after the fight he said "no one wanted to fight Haye".
It's all part of their mind games. Bellew and Hearn knew everyone was avoiding Haye however suggesting Haye was avoiding big fights, was part of their tactic.
Same regarding the Injury, they believed Haye would tire, but not due to entering the fight with an Injury, more mocking him for his previous, regarding his reputation for using injuries as an excuse for a defeat.
Part of their gameplan worked, mind games and surviving the early rounds, however Bellew doesn't have superior stamina and he couldn't knock out a man with one leg.
As for the rematch - this is the UK - the fight will sell. It doesn't take much to sell big fights. British fans love a big event and a night of entertainment.
The only thing Haye cares about is the money imo. He knew that if he quit against Bellew citing injury, no big name fighter would go near him in the future.
Have you seen Bellews website? look at the footer and who developed it (visit the link)"cheap web design Liverpool".
All boxers need/care about money, how else are you going to live a life?
Haye's main problem, is he's obsessed with proving himself, while not understanding the inside of his body is breaking down, even if the exterior looks healthy, so while everyone wrongly believes he's driven by money, it's more that he is obsessed, getting old and desperate to finish his career with a HW title, which would have happened if he stayed with Booth, instead of wrongly thinking he could train differently and avoid injuries.
Agree. He didn't look right from the start. He was swinging recklessly and dragging his right leg fairly early. He didn't look anywhere near as explosive and didn't push off his back foot, no punches came down the pipe like normal.
I think the rumors were true and he was carrying an injury hence the doctor visit in the days before the fight. He knew he couldn't pull out though.
Even then we've got to be honest, Haye lost this fight more than Bellew won it. That's just how crap Bellew actually is.
Boxing fans are a funny breed. You basically have to fight with an injury, get ridiculed in the ring before anyone believes you're injured lol
Then you have the medical experts.
I also think Haye was injured, but knew he couldn't pull out and I'm convinced Haye never sparred for this fight, partly to avoid injury and partly because he thought he just had to land a few power punches and fat boy Bellew would fold.
I was talking about Bellew's game plan, which was based on the assumption - right or wrong - that he would outlast a 36 year old opponent who had fought only twice in 5 years and was rumoured to be carrying an injury.
Watching the fight, it was obvious to me that Bellew was willing to give Haye some of those early rounds in order to avoid being dragged into a dog fight while Haye was still fresh and dangerous.
Bellew was also fighting injured, btw, a broken right hand which happened in the 2nd or 3rd round, according to him.
I was surprised not many discussed Bellew and his condition, suggesting he had superior stamina. It's quite annoying that his trainers, promoter etc believe his gameplan worked.
Granted, He won, he avoided getting knocked out early, however surely as the fight went on, Haye would lean on some of his experience? some forget he does have experience.
I would suggest if Haye wasn't injured, as the fight went into the later rounds, Haye would have used his experience, rather than fat boy Bellew exposing his lack of stamina.
Hopefully the rematch happens, so we get some answers.
'It wasn't meant to be for me that night but I couldn't have tried any harder.
'I was gutted when Shane McGuigan threw the towel in, but he's my coach and I respect him and his opinions.
'When they opened up my achilles it was like spaghetti, it was a mess.
'Maybe it saved me for another day because if I'd carried on putting weight on it, it would have got more and more mushed inside.'
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Shane McGuigan isn't someone I rate as a trainer but he's a young pup and Haye could have stayed silence, but nice touch to mention Shane McGuigan as the kid has been questioned from all corners, not just on the standard of his coaching, but his role that evening.
Haye is to blame, he went into the fight injured. Honetly he can be sued for this because a lot of people bet money on him.
Dammed if he does and Dammed if he doesn't.
Haye pulls out of fights with genuine injuries, he gets called a fraud.
He fights with an injury. People say he should have pulled out.
He fights half the fight with one-leg but people are suddenly medical experts saying his injury wasn't serious.
Haye's "problem" is his loud, arrogant personality so people refuse to give the guy any benefit of the doubt, although he has been very bitter and angry recently, so I understand why he's disliked.
However your body is your body, muscles and tendons breakdown, even if you're an arrogant prick at times.
Haye was completely responsible for his own public image and had lost the respect of a lot of hardcore boxing fans because, like Bellew, they could see him for what he was and what he was after; an easy route to a bigmoney title fight to line his pockets and fund his retirement (again). Karma is a b*tch, eh?
He picked up a 4.7 million purse. Not bad for a shot fighter who hasn't been competitive since 2012 and never trained correctly for the fight.
If he's obsessed with proving himself, why did he **** it against Klitschko when he talked his way into a shot? Why did he fight bums like Di Mori & Gjergjaj whilst professing to be the best HW in the world? Why did he fight CW David Bellew instead of waiting for a HW world title shot against Parker?
Yes boxing is about money, but Haye is the most shameless money grabber of the lot. I'm not having a go at him about it, i'm just telling it how it is.
For whatever reason, none of the leading HW fighters or any current medium level fighters wanted to fight Haye.
You need to ask them why, possibly for a number of reasons but the only big fight was Bellew and believe me when I tell you, Haye didn't want this fight last year, he wanted to fight a leading HW, but as it turned out, his only option of a big event was Bellew.
You know what's boxing like - fighters avoid each other - and now they be wondering why they avoided Haye as his body is shot but sad to See Haye desperate to win a HW title when he should walk away.
Haye was wildly inactive and NO ONE stateside thought he was a bona fide contender and this fight proved it. He's a shot fighter and doesn't garner nearly the attention you give him.
Everyone who is involved in Boxing - ask any of the promoters - knows that Haye was avoided, for many reasons. No one wanted to fight him.
The main reason is most boxers in the division are more concerned with easy fights, fights that suit their style and the thought of facing Haye was too risky.
Haye may be a shot fighter, but the guy achieved more in his prime than many boxers have in their career.
By the way, when is WIlder going to fight anyone of note?
Yes, it's true Haye hasn't done much for some time. But you've got to admit that he's still one of the biggest scalps in the heavyweight division.
By name only and I say that as someone who has respect for Haye's boxing career, but his last competitive fight was 2012. Since then it's been all downhill. Injuries, bad decisions, surrounding himself with the wrong people, so while David Haye is David Haye, it's like saying Lennox Lewis is Lennox Lewis.
You can only talk about someone as a scalp if you're talking about facing them in the condition when they made their name, and were regarded as one of the worlds leading fighters.
No one has ever questioned Haye for his timing or wild punches or lack of composure, yet that is the "new" David Haye, so really Bellew defeated a one legged power puncher who clearly didn't prepare correctly for the fight and is finished as a leading boxer.
My question is...based on the heavyweight landscape today...which champ has taken a path where they truly earned their standing? Also, many consider Wilder to be the weakest beltholder. So I disagree that going after Parker validates that Wilder seeks to take the weak path. It does signify the magnitude of a Wilder Joshua fight and the need to position himself to make as much money as possible.
None have but this is boxing. Boxers pick fights to keep their record. They hide behind promoters who guide them through their career.
Say what you like about Haye, but look at his achievements in his natural division, never shied away from a challenge.
HW boxers appear to have no balls lol They are truly petrified of stepping into the ring and facing fighters who will test them. Its truly pathetic for men who are meant to be the baddest guys on the planet.
If only I had listened to Haye in the Liverpool press conference when he told Bellew fans to bet their entire saving and their houses on Bellew :burnup:. What were the odds for Bellew to win by TKO????? :grumble:
Should have bet on Bellew once Haye threw the first wild erratic punch! 14/1 here in the UK at start of the fight. In-fight betting, could have been a rich man!
Come on, now.
I don't think Joshua's is STACKED, but he took on a chance to get a belt and did it. He's had 18 fights. Are you seriously telling me that - especially including his next opponent - hsi resume isn't significantly better than Wilder's right now?
How can anyone have a decent resume at HW? where are these top HW fighters?
Look at Wlads resume and the jokers he was fighting.
He signed to fight povetkin and he called out Parker. I think it's coming. And no disrespect to David haye he's just way past his prime but he had a solid career tho
Well, I'm not sure either count as anyone of note but it would be a start. Step-up from fighting part time security guards.
Haye achieved a lot in boxing, but with his his talent and physical gifts, he could have done so much more.
He took short cuts in training and, yet again, he tried to take a short cut to another a really big fight, vs AJ.
You take short cuts in boxing, you are going to end up in a blind alley.
No disagreement there.
It just comes back to desperation. If you're desperate for something to happen, you're more likely to take shortcuts.
If Haye was training with Booth, sparring correctly and got injured, a young Haye would pull out and prepare again for the next fight.
Since the Wlad defeat, it's just been wrong decision after wrong decision and injury after injury.
neither guy should continue. pure posturing and missing and landing sloppy clubbing shots.....
why was bellew always DUCKING JABS TO THE BODY ?!?!?!?
why was haye FEINTING SO MUCH ?!?!?!?!?
if team bellew thinks he has any chance vs a real hw (not the hw version of khan), theyre in for a rude awakening.
I don't believe Haye done any sparring prior to this fight, he was simply doing pad/punch bag work, this is why he looked like a pub boxer.
5 years since his last competitive fight, surrounded by a bunch of idiots, a young trainer who was in awe of him, plus his body inside is damaged due to age and injuries.
Anyone who trains or is a boxer at any level, knows you have to prepare & train correctly but from what I gather, Haye has been obsessed with body conditioning, hence him looking like a greek god at the weigh-ins and feeling invincible because he's boxing like Ali against pads and a punch bag - that isn't how you prepare for a fight - especially after a lengthy absence from the ring.
Funny how they avoided Haye but are now keen to face Bellew for earning a shot at the title, by knocking out a man with one leg.
I wonder if Wilder would be keen to face a one legged Haye?
This just exposes how certain fighters avoided Haye believing he was too risky, as they didn't realise he was a shot fighter.
Wilder said, "Don't nobody tell me who to fight. I pick my fights." If he fights Bellew I will lose the final 1% of respect I have for him as a "champion". Super happy Bellew won, but come on, if Haye's achilles didn't pop, he would've owned Bellew the rest of that fight--and I was rooting for Tony! I think Hearn is a super charismatic, funny promoter (watch Joshua interviews behind closed doors when he's clowning on Joshua, he's pretty funny), but he must be a little confused on exactly how Tony won, the way he's talking about "if he beat Haye he can beat Wilder, Joshua" lol.
Possibly these comments are intended to mock Haye. They hate each other and Eddie will be loving this, knowing he has one-up on Haye.