I consider Haye Bellew a NO CONTEST

He picked up a 4.7 million purse. Not bad for a shot fighter who hasn't been competitive since 2012 and never trained correctly for the fight. Yes, and I willingly accept he is to be congratulated on that as prizefighting is what it's about; he managed to con a real good payday, well done David.

It wasn't just Haye's stamina that Bellew was trying to test. Remember him going on and on at the final presser about knowing that Haye was carrying some kind of injury? He kept saying Haye was going to break down after 5 or 6 rounds and had built his game plan around that assumption, which turned out to be correct! I wonder if a rematch would sell as many tickets, now that the grudge/needle element has been taken out of the equation? They could hardly could go back to that again, after the love in at the end of the fight. If they wanted a rematch, they should have done a Froch/Groves. Maybe Hearn would have whispered something about that in Bellew's ear, if Tony hadn't shrugged him off and gone straight over to Haye. Bellew was saying many things before the fight that weren't true, such as "Haye could have fought anyone" yet after the fight he said "no one wanted to fight Haye". It's all part of their mind games. Bellew and Hearn knew everyone was avoiding Haye however suggesting Haye was avoiding big fights, was part of their tactic. Same regarding the Injury, they believed Haye would tire, but not due to entering the fight with an Injury, more mocking him for his previous, regarding his reputation for using injuries as an excuse for a defeat. Part of their gameplan worked, mind games and surviving the early rounds, however Bellew doesn't have superior stamina and he couldn't knock out a man with one leg. As for the rematch - this is the UK - the fight will sell. It doesn't take much to sell big fights. British fans love a big event and a night of entertainment.

I was surprised not many discussed Bellew and his condition, suggesting he had superior stamina. It's quite annoying that his trainers, promoter etc believe his gameplan worked. Granted, He won, he avoided getting knocked out early, however surely as the fight went on, Haye would lean on some of his experience? some forget he does have experience. I would suggest if Haye wasn't injured, as the fight went into the later rounds, Haye would have used his experience, rather than fat boy Bellew exposing his lack of stamina. Hopefully the rematch happens, so we get some answers. It wasn't just Haye's stamina that Bellew was trying to test. Remember him going on and on at the final presser about knowing that Haye was carrying some kind of injury? He kept saying Haye was going to break down after 5 or 6 rounds and had built his game plan around that assumption, which turned out to be correct! I wonder if a rematch would sell as many tickets, now that the grudge/needle element has been taken out of the equation? They could hardly could go back to that again, after the love in at the end of the fight. If they wanted a rematch, they should have done a Froch/Groves. Maybe Hearn would have whispered something about that in Bellew's ear, if Tony hadn't shrugged him off and gone straight over to Haye.

Haye was completely responsible for his own public image and had lost the respect of a lot of hardcore boxing fans because, like Bellew, they could see him for what he was and what he was after; an easy route to a bigmoney title fight to line his pockets and fund his retirement (again). Karma is a b*tch, eh? I am sure David Haye know's 100% that he is responsible for the public's perception of him in part! but you have to be some kind of retard, to not pick up on Sky Sports/Matchroom's agenda's (During this entire match up!) Yes...David Haye is outspoken, yes...he is also quite blunt and expressive with his views! but i consider him one of the good guys in boxing! He is maverick, who has always resisted authority! Its only really the casual mainstream sheeple that have negative perceptions of David Haye, real hardcore boxing fans deep down have a immense amount of respect for him! But the point i am trying to make is? his performance up against Tony Bellew has actually gained him allot of credence with mainstream casual fans, and i believe that this is the start of Hayemaker 2.0! Karma can be a b*tch, because mother nature is the most unforgiving woman in the world! (I believe David Haye would of learnt a lot from this recent saga! )..... The Haymaker will be back!

I was talking about Bellew's game plan, which was based on the assumption - right or wrong - that he would outlast a 36 year old opponent who had fought only twice in 5 years and was rumoured to be carrying an injury. Watching the fight, it was obvious to me that Bellew was willing to give Haye some of those early rounds in order to avoid being dragged into a dog fight while Haye was still fresh and dangerous. Bellew was also fighting injured, btw, a broken right hand which happened in the 2nd or 3rd round, according to him. I was surprised not many discussed Bellew and his condition, suggesting he had superior stamina. It's quite annoying that his trainers, promoter etc believe his gameplan worked. Granted, He won, he avoided getting knocked out early, however surely as the fight went on, Haye would lean on some of his experience? some forget he does have experience. I would suggest if Haye wasn't injured, as the fight went into the later rounds, Haye would have used his experience, rather than fat boy Bellew exposing his lack of stamina. Hopefully the rematch happens, so we get some answers.

If a one legged Haye is still dangerous in a fight, heading into round 11, that doesn't say much for your opponent. However, Haye should have won within 4 but he had no gameplan, no tactics. If you walk into the ring with no respect for your opponent and can't knock him down, what next? Win on points, which would have happened if Haye had any sort of gameplan (and wasn't injured), but it was a dogfight. As for the superior stamina, Bellew was breathing heavy first and as Bellew has never fought at this weight before, how can you or anyone say he has superior stamina? ...unless you mean against a man with one leg? I was talking about Bellew's game plan, which was based on the assumption - right or wrong - that he would outlast a 36 year old opponent who had fought only twice in 5 years and was rumoured to be carrying an injury. Watching the fight, it was obvious to me that Bellew was willing to give Haye some of those early rounds in order to avoid being dragged into a dog fight while Haye was still fresh and dangerous. Bellew was also fighting injured, btw, a broken right hand which happened in the 2nd or 3rd round, according to him.

Being 4-1 up in a 12 round fight does not mean you are "winning" if you are up against an opponent with superior stamina who is trying to take you into the later rounds and you are missing with most of your punches and not hurting him with the few you manage to land. And do you even know that Haye was 4-1 up on the judges cards? All of the first 5 rounds were very close and they might have given Bellew more than 1. If a one legged Haye is still dangerous in a fight, heading into round 11, that doesn't say much for your opponent. However, Haye should have won within 4 but he had no gameplan, no tactics. If you walk into the ring with no respect for your opponent and can't knock him down, what next? Win on points, which would have happened if Haye had any sort of gameplan (and wasn't injured), but it was a dogfight. As for the superior stamina, Bellew was breathing heavy first and as Bellew has never fought at this weight before, how can you or anyone say he has superior stamina? ...unless you mean against a man with one leg?

You didn't read what I wrote. I said the rules should be applied in a similar method to whe na forearm, elbow or head causes a cut or other such injury and the ifght has gone 4 or more rounds. The fight is then referred to the scorecards. So then what if a fighter is up on the cards and the other guy comes on strong late? The fighter who is up cohld just fake an injury and end the fight without taking any risk. There isnt any individual sport i can think of where an injury would result in a no contest. If Nadal pulls out of a tennis match half way through, then he loses the match. Sport is a physical competition, if you can't compete then you have lost IMO.

with all due respect, i saw the first 5 rounds, and haye was up 4-1. bellew would step in and throw a punch here and there, but he was honestly more concerned with avoiding haye's punches, than doing any damage on his own. it was a rather uneventful five rounds. the reason you saw bellew turn it on in round 6, was because haye injured himself towards the end of round 5. Being 4-1 up in a 12 round fight does not mean you are "winning" if you are up against an opponent with superior stamina who is trying to take you into the later rounds and you are missing with most of your punches and not hurting him with the few you manage to land. And do you know that Haye was 4-1 up on the judges cards? All of the first 5 rounds were very close and they might have given Bellew more than 1. Haye's injury happened in the 6th, btw, not the 5th, and Bellew was also fighting injured after breaking his hand in the 3rd, according to his team.

Haye was completely responsible for his own public image and had lost the respect of a lot of hardcore boxing fans because, like Bellew, they could see him for what he was and what he was after; an easy route to a bigmoney title fight to line his pockets and fund his retirement (again). Karma is a b*tch, eh? He picked up a 4.7 million purse. Not bad for a shot fighter who hasn't been competitive since 2012 and never trained correctly for the fight.

with all due respect, i saw the first 5 rounds, and haye was up 4-1. bellew would step in and throw a punch here and there, but he was honestly more concerned with avoiding haye's punches, than doing any damage on his own. it was a rather uneventful five rounds. the reason you saw bellew turn it on in round 6, was because haye injured himself towards the end of round 5. Bellew is not a HW and never will be. He unloaded all he had and couldn't put down a one legged man. There will forever be a * on this 'victory'

:lol1: My family are Irish but I was born here. Always got a soft spot for the Irish, I go there regularly, but I'm English. This story doesn't stack up for me tbh.. birth certificate or stfu :boxing::lol1:

You want to step into the Thunderdome? I note you didn't deny the bit about being Irish but supporting England... :lol1: My family are Irish but I was born here. Always got a soft spot for the Irish, I go there regularly, but I'm English.

Haye wasn't winning the fight easily, dumbo. He may have been ahead on the cards after 5 rounds - I don't know about that, because I haven't seen them - But Bellew was obviously focused on defence and biding his time till then. Even before the injury, I noticed Bellew was starting to step in with his punches in the 6th and looked to be sharing or even winning that round. with all due respect, i saw the first 5 rounds, and haye was up 4-1. bellew would step in and throw a punch here and there, but he was honestly more concerned with avoiding haye's punches, than doing any damage on his own. it was a rather uneventful five rounds. the reason you saw bellew turn it on in round 6, was because haye injured himself towards the end of round 5.

Nah because like i say fighters would just start faking injuries to get out of losing if they were down on the cards. I think if your body isnt in shape to finish the fight, then you have lost. Same as in any other individual sport. You didn't read what I wrote. I said the rules should be applied in a similar method to whe na forearm, elbow or head causes a cut or other such injury and the ifght has gone 4 or more rounds. The fight is then referred to the scorecards.

There are allot of positives coming out of this fight for David Haye! coming into the fight, due to Sky Sports/Matchroom's demonization of Haye! the pubic perception of David Haye in my opinion was at a all time low! this was a man, who once prided himself on being a boxing hero to the casual fans! And somebody who was well respected by hardcore fans! His courageous performance up against Tony Bellew has regained him a immense amount of respect! David Haye is a smart individual when it comes to self promotion, he will change his entire demeanor in the next coming months.... There is still a compelling story playing out within David Haye's career right before our eye's! this reminds me of rocky 3! it would be great if he teams up with Adam Booth or Audley Harrison in the future...haha! The Hayemaker is coming back! make no doubt about it! Haye was completely responsible for his own public image and had lost the respect of a lot of hardcore boxing fans because, like Bellew, they could see him for what he was and what he was after; an easy route to a bigmoney title fight to line his pockets and fund his retirement (again). Karma is a b*tch, eh?

I'm simply quoting the rules, what they state. How they are interpreted depends on several factors. And if they are not implemented correctly, then maybe they should or there should be a rule change. An injury not caused by a fighters punches (heabdutts, elbows etc) end in NC or TD or we go to the scorecards after he completion of the 4th round (or the start of the 4th round, depending on the boxing commission). Maybe there needs to be a similar provision for fighters who are injured without the opponent having inflicted any damage (fists or otherwise). 4 complete rounds. Go to the scorecards. Something to think on. Nah because like i say fighters would just start faking injuries to get out of losing if they were down on the cards. I think if your body isnt in shape to finish the fight, then you have lost. Same as in any other individual sport.

Stumbled off balance? No he didn't. https://mobile.twitter.com/jwhjake/status/838175649114247168/video/1 You didn't pick Bellew to win, you said he could. See you're making **** up again. Bellew got lucky. Lol. That looks like a clip of Haye stumbling off balance to me! What I said about the fight was that if Bellew boxed instead of going to war, and took Haye past 5/6 rounds, he could win, possibly by KO late on. That's exactly what happened.

Didn't get lucky? :rofl: That's exactly what he got. Everyone saw it, that injury had nothing to do with Bellew. He got lucky and now you want to claim you're some boxing expert. :lol1: He said Haye would gas. Haye didn't gas his achilles went, not the same thing. Haye's Achilles went because he stumbled off balance and had to correct. He stumbled off balance because he couldn't catch Bellew and was starting to gas from chasing him round the ring swinging at air. Maybe he would have caught up with Bellew if he'd been fully fit and carrying no injuries. But if he'd been fully fit and carrying no injuries, he wouldn't have been 36 yo David Haye! Bellew called it right, and so did I. You called it wrong. So why not do what Haye did and take your L like a man, without all these whining excuses?

And Haye is an angel? They're both ****s, but a scouser defending a Londoner over one of their own just wouldn't happen. I'm starting to believe NUFC_Jay when he said you're from Croydon. You're definitely not from Liverpool. You want to step into the Thunderdome? I note you didn't deny the bit about being Irish but supporting England...