This is interesting. How do you gather these numbers? Like, their power and ability to take a punch?
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Power is done by looking at the people they have stopped, and how quickly, and it takes into account how many times that opponent has been knocked down (or survived against) before and by what quality of opponent.
Ability to take a punch is done in the same sort of way, looking at how many times/speed they have been stopped against what quality of opponent, and how hard that opponent punches etc.
Also takes into account weight differences of the fighters, even though weights can change after the weigh in, it's still a small indicator it seems.
A while to go with it, so any feedback is a huge help and will go towards making things a little better.
No problem, given the amazing advance in the influence statistics have had on other sports in the last few years, it's definitely time for boxing to step it up to a level that's more than compubox. I seem to remember seeing a video detailing the GB amateur team's Olympic preparations, and it looked as if they had some absolutely amazing bits of kit with which to analyse a fighter's game, I'd try to find that video or even message them, maybe.
As a sidenote, I'd be interested in helping out in this project if that's possible, I'll pm you my email address and we could work from there?
Yeah that would be great, PM away :)
Let me ask you, why does it say that Alvarez data is only 59% verified, what does that mean?
Hi. Because the data is used from not only the boxer and his opponents in question, but the opponents opponents too, it's an easy way for the user to see if there is any possible missing or unchecked information about them opponents too. It just saves someone trawling through each opponents information to check themselves. 50% verification is given to the boxer in question and his opponents, and 50% verification for the opponents opponents.
I'm not sure i could say opponents and more times in a reply.
I saw some kid on the undercard of the Rigo - Donaire fight that looked pretty slick, who I've just learned was Felix Verdejo. 6-0 (5 KO's) so he's got miles to go, but i like the way he fights so far. Exciting prospect
http://youtu.be/62qM74RaNL8
TS, this is a wonderful idea, but I'm slightly confused over the methods used to arrive at these numbers. Are more recent fights weighted as more important than fights several years ago, hence allowing for improvement and career trajectory? Would just be interested to see if the same method when applied to solely the boxer's last 5 or 10 fights would come up with the same numbers.
Currently it takes into account all the fights but we'll be adding a feature to select fights from either a point in time last 1,3,5 years etc... or both fighters X previous bouts soon. With boxing it's hard to add much value to more recent fights as upsets can happen that don't necessarily mean one boxer/stat is better than another on a bigger scale. Once we get more data though we should be able to play around with the figures to see if it makes a difference and how much weight to put on more recent fights. Defo a good suggestion! For now I'll add the option to get bouts from custom dates (as it's less work) then the user can see what they need themselves if they want.
Thanks :)
Yeah, i thought that might happen, Garcia looked worrrriieed at the Peterson - Matthysse fight.
I'm a huge Maidana fan but i just don't want to see him fight Matthysse really. Not yet anyway. I think Matthysse would win, an in an average fight.
Huge shame if this is true and it doesn't happen.
I like this a lot but can you tell me how you generated/came to this conclusion?
ABILITY TO TAKE A PUNCH 63.5% (Garcia) 79.3% (Juanma)
Thanks. The figures noted are because Juanma has fought some hard hitters but Garcia still hasn't really been tested with a big puncher as yet as far as i can see. So the 'ability to take a punch' stat can be due to being untested at that level too. If we do it any other way, then it leaves it open for a fighter to fight 100 Malignaggi clones and be ranked as iron chinned, when really they've just haven't faced hard hitting opposition yet (no disrespect to Pauli, just an example ;) ).
Green K your way! Thank you for the time vested and all the long hours! Site has lots of potential.
Ill agree with the others, an explanation of terms/how its the data calculated would be great.
Keep it up!
Thanks. I'm already on it :) I'll start getting it setup within the next week or so hopefully. Just doing some research on the best way to go about it. Really appreciate the support :)
It looks pretty nifty. A lot of people might argue with you the ability to take a punch part simply cause Juanma has been stopped and was hurt my Mtagwa. But I'm not all convinced by Mikey's chin either.
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Yeah, i think a big part that's missing at the moment for the site is explanations of how things are calculated, so that's my next task.
Currently, the way the calculations are done, Garcia's ability to take a punch is pretty low for his record as he hasn't been stopped yet, but that's based on the fact that his opponents so far have never really been able to hit that hard, or there have been few with power.
I'll hopefully put knockdowns on the records at some point in the future, as W/L/D and result type don't really tell the full story in some cases. Maidana being a good example... without knockdowns he looks unstoppable, but in reality he's been put down and come close to being stopped a few too many times now.
I think Mikey's chin is just a little untested. If it holds up then i think he'll get the win this weekend. Should be a really good fight.
Its definitely untested. Just when Salido started landing on him the fight was stopped. I also didn't like his reaction when Barros landed one of his punches on him.
Anyway, its looking good. It shows some cool stats we don't usually see on Boxrec.
I also noticed under Mayweather how it says hes usually 8% lighter than his opponent or whatever the figure was. Cool stuff.
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Thanks. There's so many different statistics to be shown it's hard to know what people want to see most. So if there's anything you/anyone would like to see, let me know and I'll get it added if i can. Appreciate your comments though, makes the hours of p*ss boring data input work a little more bearable ha :)
Crawford V Burns would be a good fight. My money's on Crawford, but i think it'll give him a good test. Burns has too much heart.
I don't think it'd be a fight Burns would want though.
Can't say I'm too fussed on the Peterson fight, it'll be pretty even and boring in my opinion.
I don't think Garcia wants the Mattysse fight, but it's going to be a beast if it goes ahead
Was thinking of opening up BoxStat to anyone to input and verify data/results/etc... moderated in some way by the best users a bit like forums are. It'd be a little while to get it done, but if there's enough people into it I'd be happy to do it.
With everyone chipping in a small amount we could get some pretty decent punch stats and all sorts going. Thoughts?
Only thing is this part in the Notes for Tony: "Never fought opponent with this much power (ignoring any weight differences)"
He fought Vlad 2X tho
I can't say I know my heavyweights as well as i know other weights to argue the case either way. That value doesn't take into account 'past opponents punch resistance' though, and maybe it should, so this may be where the value is a little wrong (if it is).
Vlad is second on the list after Price with the current calculations for power, but I'll take a look at some others and see if and where it's incorrect, and change it if needed.
Opponent data is also less accurate than the fighter's fully verified page too due to the time it'd take to load a page otherwise. It doesn't take into account Vlads opponents opponents on that page. I'm working on this but its a bit of a difficult one to make happen.
I'll get Vlads stats on their in the next few days and see how they compare :)
Much appreciated comment, thanks!
If you want punch stats and the whole nine, you're almost going to have to put a team together. I found out real quick just how much work it takes to put something substantial together. It took a LOT of time to get to the point I was at, and I had two people doing it.
Gonna have to be people that really love stats, boxing, and working for free.
Yeah punch stats are one for the future probably but just keeping it simple for now and doing all the half decent bouts. I'll see how the next few months go, but i would like to take it down that route and build more of a community around it to get the best stats... I'm not really up for spamming everyone with millions of ads, so really want to make it a decent place to go for info.
Meh, we'll see. ha
This is intriguing stuff, thanks. I take it those weights are from official weigh-in...might be interesting to see an average of night-of weigh-ins...though I suppose they are always questionable in accuracy (clothes etc) and sometimes difficult to find, if they exist at all.
Yeah weights is a difficult one, and at the moment we don't give them too much value as they differ on the night so much with different fighters. On the night weights are too difficult to get hold of for each fighter, and as you say wouldn't be that accurate anyway in most cases. :)
Not a bad site, what are your formulas for resistance and past opponents punch resistance? I'm a stathead as well.
Thanks, appreciate it :) . If you click on any of the statistics headers it'll take you to an explanation of how the stats are calculated in it's simplest form. It may need improving, so if you're not sure of anything, just let me know.
http://boxstat.co/faq/3/how-is-the-past-opponents-punch-resistance-statistic-calculated/
http://boxstat.co/faq/4/how-is-the-ability-to-take-a-punch-statistic-calculated/ ?
Matthysse is unreal, but i think it's only a matter of time before he gets out-boxed, and it won't be by anyone near Floyd's level. I think there's a few boxers out there who'd have a decent chance, and i think Floyd would lightly punch him in the face all night long without getting hit.
There's a little too much Matthysse hype around these parts, we all need to calm down a little me thinks. See how Garcia goes then put him in with some real talent.
I think he'll always be an exciting fighter though and there's always going to be someone to feed to Matthysse that'll make a good watch.
Boxing only. I can understand MMA but I'm not a big fan... it seems like way too much going on and there's so much to know i find it hard to watch it and know why fighters are doing certain things because there's so many different styles. With boxing i think I've been watching it long enough to know subtle tactics and why fighters do certain things.
How anyone can watch football/soccer is beyond me, everything has been seen before and i don't know how anyone can get excited by a goal... there's no shock factor at all it's all a bit slow for me... i like to know that A. At most I'll be wasting 40 mins of my life watching something boring and not and hour 45 filled with mostly diving and a bullsh1t parade of trying to get fouls etc. B. I'm one step away from everything being over. final. done, and seeing something i haven't seen before.
Rant over.
If it was the other way around I'd have definitely said Thompson took a dive for cashmonies. I like Price, so i hope he get's a good few more fights under his belt before being KO'd again, and like D-MiZe said, it'll make for exciting fights in future...i think Price has genuine talent, but there's always going to be a KO around the corner judging by that shot.