He wasn't damaged goods until the 2nd round of the Crawford fight..... Stop with the bull****. Only an idiot is consistently believing the nonsense that keeps being pushed once Crawford beats down their favorite fighter.
From Prescott to Gamboa to Postol to Indongo to Khan to Brook to Porter to Spence......each of these fighters were supposed to "expose" some weakness in Crawford and capitalize on it. Each of them had a story line that changed after they fought Crawford.......
Prescott was suppose to be too experience, Crawford wasn't ready for that stage.................Crawford outclasses him for 10 rounds...........Then Prescott was just "a journeyman".
Gamboa was an undefeated 3 division champion ranked #5 p4p by The Ring Magazine...........Crawford puts him on the mat 5x..............Then Gamboa's been out of the ring too long. He was too small to be fighting Crawford.
Postol was Freddie Roach's "next up" after Manny. Was suppose to expose Crawford...........Crawford 12-0'ed Postol...........Then Postol was a nobody because American fans didn't know who he was.
People claim Crawford was avoiding Indongo because he hinted to wanting to move up to 147........Crawford dominates him in 3 rounds..........Then... 'Who did Indongo beat to become champion'......
Amir Khan was suppose to be too quick for Crawford with decent ring IQ. Crawford's only chance at beating him was to catch him with a sleeper for a KO because of his weak chin......................Crawford not only puts him on the ground in the first round, but continues to outbox him for the next 5 rounds before Khan quits...............Then Khan was never a threat with a glass chin.
Kell Brook was suppose to be too big, too strong, too smart.............Crawford makes one adjustment and stops him in the 4th...............Then regardless of Brook saying he was in the best shape of his career coming off 3 wins.......2 by stoppage.......Brook was a shell of himself....damaged goods.
Oh, but Crawford was suppose to be scared to fight Porter. Porter was suppose to 'come to fight'....Guaranteed a KO, doubled down on it the week of the fight. Was suppose to put more pressure on Crawford than he's ever experienced in his life...............Crawford physically and mentally whipped Porter in 10...........Porter was 'too old' (regardless of Crawford being older). He was planning on retiring (though their was ZERO discussion of retiring before the fight). Porter was damaged goods (with no evidence of any major injuries through his entire career, no stoppage losses, etc.....).
Now we have Spence....the guy Crawford was suppose to be too small for. Light in the a$$. Spence was asked repeatedly was his plans was to beat Crawford....all he stated was he was going to BREAK HIM.......his strategy was to BREAK HIM....lol. Crawford showed up to Vegas a couple days before Spence. People were telling jokes on the forums and in comments stating Crawford looked drained, yet, the same folk claim they don't think he's gonna make weight because he was in a jogging suit in Vegas. What sense does that make. To claim he's too small, but he looks drained and is struggling to LOSE weight for a fight?..............We saw what Crawford did to him............Now we have all these B.S. excuses on why Spence wasn't able to BREAK Crawford..... Eye surgery that he waited 2 years and 3 fights to have? Cataracts, yet I still haven't see him wear a single pair of shades under the ultraviolet lights at any of the press conferences.
We as fans got to stop giving these grown a$$ men who choose to participate in this sport, a platform to whine and cry about getting their a$$ whipped. They given these excuses because some of us silly fans choose to believe and push the notion for them. Meanwhile we are discrediting the other fighters who worked hard for the accomplishments they got the night of.
What we see is that Spence has shown himself to be less than the most disciplined over his career. Heavy drinking, not the most favorable friends surrounding him (allegedly), often seen clearly overweight when not in camp, etc....... What we see in Crawford is much of the opposite. Consistently in the gym even when not in camp. Often in camp with other fighters giving pointers and/or sparring. Doesn't drink or club (with the exception of the parade that was thrown for him this year). Fact is, if you are a pro......be a pro....take care of yourself. If you don't, your body will tell on you. It's your own damn fault. PERIOD.
Inoue > Crawford
First of all, I agree, I'm not as sold on Ennis- like many on this site are......but that's a different conversation......
As far as Crawford.......
Y'all keep barking at Crawford about things out of his control..... Crawford has said multiple times since leaving Top Rank that he wants to fight 3x in the calendar year. He couldn't do it last year because after Spence beat Ugas, there was zero urgency to start the negotiations. Then when they did start, it went for 6 months only to get thrown out over certain details in the contract... Then this year, it took Crawford and Spence getting on the phone to iron out the details themselves to get the ball rolling. And for some strange reason, all of a sudden, PBC wants a "REMATCH CLAUSE" placed in the contract. Something they didn't have on any of the other unification bouts between Thurman/Porter, Thurman/Danny, Porter/Danny, Spence/Mikey, Spence/Porter, Spence/Danny, Manny/Spence (that ended up being Manny/Ugas), Ugas/Spence........NOT ONE of those fights were legally bound by a rematch clause........But Crawford/Spence couldn't happen unless it was agreed upon that the clause be in the contract.........
Then after Crawford wins the bout, the clause has to be activated within 30 days.....It took Spence 32 days to officially activate the rematch clause..... Then news broke that Showtime was hanging their gloves up on boxing, so now a new platform needs to take over the contract...... Crawford COULD NOT legally negotiate any other fight outside of a Spence fight for this year...... Crawford's accomplishment was by far THE BIGGEST SINGLE ACCOMPLISHMENT we have seen in decades.......2 top pound for pound undefeated champ in their prime facing off for the first undisputed at 147 in the 4 belt era........Obviously all the excuses as to why he was so dominant came in afterwards as it usually does after a Crawford fight....... 2x Undisputed, 3x Lineal, 9x world champion, 12 wins by stoppage in a row..... The single flaw against him not being fighter of the year......he only fought once.......Okay....
Shut yo ho ass up, boy.
You are just a typical nut hugger who loves to slurp the jizz from midget fighters if you had the chance.
You probably come from one of those low income and uneducated blue collar families and had family members lose jobs at the Big 3 US automakers because they outsourced everything to Mexico. And of course, you think Inoue was responsible for Pearl Harbor.
In any case, your favorite FBA fighter is on PEDs and none of them made a case for FOTY.
SOWWIIIEEE.
lol......goofy.....none of y'all were saying that before july 29th...... The notion if crawford doesn't fight him, then his legacy is tarnished for never fighting a great fighter..... All this hindsight ignorance you chanting really means nothing at the end of the day.
Your goofy ass know nothing about inoue's opponents without googling their work. You sound stupid arguing inoue over crawford.....especially since i have yet to say that inoue doesn't deserve fighter of the year...... If your silly ass actually read the conversation before begging for attention via an argument, you would have seen that i'm for inoue as much as i am for crawford. Stupid a$$
ydksab.
Thus the reason I said...."Well Deserved" to start my comment.......
But the difference is, Loma and Regis are a couple of very good wins........ Based on name sake....neither were in their prime. Neither are p4p. Both had some suspect performances resulting in losses &/or controversially close results. Loma didn't even have a title.
Spence was a GREAT win combined with a great and dominant performance. Top 5 p4p, Undefeated.....Reigning Unified and was the #1/2 fighter in the division.
Again, Inoue to most fans who only pay attention to the surface of the sport and not the depths, has the best argument....But there is zero arguments pre or post fight suggesting Fulton to be one of the best in the sport, p4p talent. Good fighter, no doubt and Tapales.....most have to google search his career.
Truthfully, the amount of times you've fought should not be the deciding factor on who the "fighter of the year" should be.... Because easily I'd be able to point out the hypocrisy throughout the sport on different accomplishments for other fighters...... Both Tyson Fury & Teofimo won Fighter of the Year with only fighting once in a calendar year.... How was it that Crawford didn't win it over Carl Frampton in 2016 when he fought and won 2 world titles as well as winning a lineal title from the Ring Magazine. Having "one more fight" wasn't a factor then....it all should be based on the accomplishment of the fighter within that year. Hell, Crawford won undisputed....the first in almost 20 years....in 2017 and it was awarded to Loma because the media was trying to push this "No Mas Chenko" movement while Loma was getting in the ring with guys he was much bigger than naturally. Thus the reason Teofimo had zero respect for him and wanted to get in the ring with him so badly.
ANYWAY.....
Inoue won all 4 titles, as well as the ring magazine (lineal) in his division, this year over good competition.... He deserves FOTY.....
But just because Inoue deserves it, doesn't mean that a man who goes out and DOMINATES a fellow p4p undefeated unified champ to become the first Undisputed in 2 divisions doesn't deserve it as well.
That's the only thing I disagree with in this forum with some posters.... They are trying to suggest that Crawford doesn't deserve FOTY because he fought once......When everyone knows leading up to the fight and post......There was no single bigger fight to be made than that fight on July 29th, because it was built on accomplishment in the sport and not by popularity contest (Tank vs Ryan).
Spence was damaged goods and deathly drained.
Um.....okay. Dumbass. Did you want an argument for this......Inoue is top 5 as well. You must've been a Spence Fanboy. It seems a great deal of y'all are new found Inoue fans because you don't want to congratulate Crawford for beating the dog **** out of your Man Crush......FOH.
Spence was a fat lazy bum. Damaged goods and badly drained on the night against Bud. Spence was NEVER elite, a boogeyman, or even really Pound 4 Pound.
Inoue >>> Crawford
FOH.
Inoue knocked out the #1 and #2 in Fulton and Tapales in his first two fights at 122.
Bud beat a brain-damaged and drained to death Spence.
Haney should have lost to Lomachenko whom he outweighed by at least 20 pounds. Then he fought Regis who looked like absolute garbage against a no namer and he was dropped.
Was not a great performance, but geez guy, cool it on your hating. It's pretty miserable to put so much energy into hating on someone. Does he make you insecure? Did he beat up your significant other?
I'm a fan of boxing.
Chickenson will vacate the belt he didn't actually win if he had any respect for the game.
Nothing you post EVER makes sense. Stevenson is hard to watch, even dreadful at times but he’s very effective and to think anything else is dumb.
Sure, buddy.
Is that why the ugly weight bully apologized to everyone for one of the worst world title performances of all time? Because he was so effective? The little gutter rat look embarrassed when he was announced as the winner.
The fact that they fought each other so many times, got tied up with mandatories and repetitive fights with SSR and Cuadras and losing to the wrong people is exactly why Inoue was unable to land a fight with either one of them for three years while constantly asking for one. I wrote a more detailed timeline of Inoue's attempt to get an unification match at 115 in some other thread a few weeks ago I believe, but to reiterate:
!) Inoue got his first title at WBC 108 in his 6th match, then after one defense was considering moving up but was unable to find a good opponent that will agree to fight him next in 112 until Omar Narvaez (WBO champ at 115) offered a title match. Inoue eagerly jumped a division for the chance for his second title, and destroyed Narvaez in R2.
2) Now a two division champion at 115, after Inoue had a few defenses Chocolatito announced that he will move up to 115. Inoue offered to fight Chocolatito hoping to be able to face the future HOFer and then the biggest star of the lower weight class.
3) Chocolatito refused the fight with Inoue citing that he's not a good enough ticket seller in the US, and instead chose to fight Cuadras for his belt instead and won. Inoue was at the ringside of this match and offered a unification fight to the winner.
4) Chocolatito refused the unification fight with Inoue yet again, and instead goes to fight beltless SSR for his first defense...which ironically he lost anyway, which locked him in for another rematch fight with SSR with Inoue unable to fight either of them the next year.
5) Estrada came up to 115, but instead of jumping into a title match he decided to do two tuneup fights followed by a title eliminator with Cuadras for a chance to fight the winner of SSR and Chocolatito, which took Estrada out of the potential opponent for Inoue as well.
6) Chocolatito lost his rematch, contemplated retirement, and SSR was occupied with Estrada so Inoue tries a last ditch effort to get a unification with Jerwin Ancajas but that also fell through. Inoue said eff it, if no title holder is willing to fight an unification I'm going up for more belts and went up to 118 and then ended out wiping the floor out.
The first time he refused, you can say Chocolatito had a valid point that he didn't like the money. But his choice to defend against belt-less SSR AFTER defeating Cuadras for his belt (over Inoue's offer for unification) was definitely Chocolatito ducking Inoue. SSR was already locked with a rematch with Chocolatito, then a mandatory defense against the winner of Estrada-Cuadras. Estrada came up a year too late to 115 and got locked in with an eliminator with Cuadras for the chance to fight SSR and then lost just to add on.
Also, it took a decade for Chocolatito to run it back with Estrada.
By being objective and not automatically rooting for a fighter based on the color of their skin.
115-113 DLS
Shakur is a hypejob bum with a dangerously glassy jaw.
Except the other guy couldn't figure out how to cut the ring off and land punches. Blame him
De Los Santos didn't do much, either. But he wasn't touted as some future P4P elite, was he?
He still did more than Twitterson and deserved the victory.
He's beaten a lot of quality guys. Who's disagreeing with that?
I'm simply saying belt fights don't mean quality opps so this stat doesn't mean all that much esp cuz lower weight divisions are notoriously as thin as some female divisions & in general belt rankings are sh^tty. Monster vs top ten indie ranked guys likely is similarly impressive, but more realistic to quality opps he's beaten.
I agree that belts can be trash (especially secondary WBA titles), but going 20-0 with 18 KOs is still an insane achievement. When belts are on the line, the opponents are hungrier, train harder, and more often than not bring it to another level.
Inoue is pfp no1. But Bud is FOTY, thats a good tradeoff. I think Inoue gets FOTY too though to be frank.
Nah, Inoue's about to body Tapales to become 2X undisputed in 2 weight classes within 12 months.
Belt fights could mean anything as far as quality opposition. Lotsa bs belt ranked guys.
Fighting indie top ten guys is a more meaningful stat & I'm sure Monster has a good record vs those types too but not quite 80% of his fights like this is.
He's fought and KO'd the #1 ranked guy by TBRB and/or the Ring in four weight divisions. His bantamweight run had him KOing the #1, #2, #3, and #4 ranked guys.
Zero cherry picking in his career.
Long way to go to be GOAT material, he needs marquee names to do that and he wont get them until 135 , could end up the GOAT little guy but even there he has some Mexican greats that are at a level Inoue has not met yet, its all too early to tell where guys like him and Davis Shakur etc are going to finish up until they retire, things can happen very quickly in boxing, on top the world one minute and in 10 seconds your career is in shambles.
Check Inoue's stats.
Shakur is damn good but I want to see him start fighting guys his own size. he’s always way bigger than his opponents.
Damn good fighters run like hos?
Lol
That's why I said "beat up" as opposed to stole, etc.
You really aren't though. Most of your threads are repeated attempts to push a narrative, mostly putting down boxers, with the exception of Inoue, who you seem to think is the best ever. But they're also almost entirely lacking in any kind of factual information, let alone technical commentary.
Well, actually, I guess that describes the average NSB boxing "fan", so nevermind.
What narrative am I pushing?
Benjamin is a filthy casual who doesn't know a thing about boxing. If shakur "runs" the onus is also on the opponents to cut him off and force the action, but they FAILED because they are not good enough.
115-113 DLS
Shakur's ugly rodent looking hypejob that was exposed big time. Glad he got killed on social media. He's a disgrace.