Naoya Inoue is Ring Magazine's Fighter of the Year...

lol......goofy.....none of y'all were saying that before july 29th...... The notion if crawford doesn't fight him, then his legacy is tarnished for never fighting a great fighter..... All this hindsight ignorance you chanting really means nothing at the end of the day. Your goofy ass know nothing about inoue's opponents without googling their work. You sound stupid arguing inoue over crawford.....especially since i have yet to say that inoue doesn't deserve fighter of the year...... If your silly ass actually read the conversation before begging for attention via an argument, you would have seen that i'm for inoue as much as i am for crawford. Stupid a$$ ydksab.

Spence was a fat lazy bum. Damaged goods and badly drained on the night against Bud. Spence was NEVER elite, a boogeyman, or even really Pound 4 Pound. Inoue >>> Crawford FOH. LOL......goofy.....None of y'all were saying that before July 29th...... The notion if Crawford doesn't fight him, then his legacy is tarnished for never fighting a great fighter..... All this hindsight ignorance you chanting really means nothing at the end of the day. Your goofy ass know nothing about Inoue's opponents without googling their work. You sound stupid arguing Inoue over Crawford.....especially since I have yet to say that Inoue doesn't deserve fighter of the year...... If your silly ass actually read the conversation before begging for attention via an argument, you would have seen that I'm for Inoue as much as I am for Crawford. Stupid a$$

Um.....okay. Dumbass. Did you want an argument for this......Inoue is top 5 as well. You must've been a Spence Fanboy. It seems a great deal of y'all are new found Inoue fans because you don't want to congratulate Crawford for beating the dog **** out of your Man Crush......FOH. Spence was a fat lazy bum. Damaged goods and badly drained on the night against Bud. Spence was NEVER elite, a boogeyman, or even really Pound 4 Pound. Inoue >>> Crawford FOH.

. Yes, I don't think people understand pfp. I think spence was considered pfp, because people thought a fight between spence and bud was a toss up who'd win, you pays your money you takes your choice type fight. And because bud is pf p they thought spence must be too, considering he might best bud? But not taking into consideration bud moved up 3 divisions already. If spence was a pf p fighter he'd be favourite to best bud at 147 I broke down Spence's style in other threads, but yeah, he was never P4P. He lacks a lot of elite skills. Felt the same way about Demetrius Andrade. I'm even not sure about Benavidez, which I'm sure will get me some hate. I want to see him at 175 or even 200 to see how much is skill and how much is size and weight bullying. He's really good at a few things though. I feel like if he really felt like he's elite, he'd be calling out the winner of Beterbiev v Bivol. Will be curious to see if either David is willing to set themselves up for that shot. One thing I'm curious about and waiting to see how it plays out is that TC went for the WBO belt. And the WBO belt has unique benefits for someone who wants to prove themselves by climbing the divisions, since they're better about following their own rules than the WBA/C and getting their belt entitles the belt holder to a shot at the belt a division up. That's Tszyu, who looks like the man in the division in the absence of Mell. I wonder what all the Ennis fans aka Crawford haters will say if Crawford takes on that challenge. That's one of the things that Inoue clearly has over Crawford. When he moves up, he takes on the best guys in the division immediately. No screwing about with tuneups and settling into the division for Inoue. For those fans of lineal belts, btw, when Inoue moved up to 118, he took on Jamie McDonnell, who was #2 Ring at the time of the fight. The Ring champ was Shinsuke Yamanaka, who lost to Luis Nery with the associated PEDs and coming in overweight. So beating Nery is really finishing up some old business in so many ways.

Been saying this in the Ennis posts. People hating on Bud when it's Spence that didn't defend against Boots, or any IBF except once in 4 years. It's Spence who put in the rematch clause. Spence who kept us waiting on the aforementioned rematch and kept Bud inactive while he had surgery. Probably Spence who will tie Bud up with lawsuits trying to keep his stupid rematch if it in fact expired in Dec. My main issue is that I never felt Spence was P4P. People pretend he's some great win, but I didn't see it before the fight, I didn't see it during the fight, and I don't see it now. He's a good win but he was only P4P because he's in welterweight. Put him up against a 147lb Chocolatito and he'll get battered from pillar to post. That's what P4P means. Skill for skill, who's the best. Anyways, congrats to Inoue. Well deserved. I have him as FOTY and tied with Bud for P4P #1. If they were in the same division, that would be an insane fight. ​​​​​ Couldn't agree more!

I want to say Inoue stayed busy and looked impressive while Crawford had 1 awesome win and say that's not enough to win FOTY. Though Inoue only had 2 fights, lol. It's crappy how infrequent fighters fight these days. It truly sucks to be a fan of boxing right now. In my favorite boxing years, I could look forward to a Pac fight in January/February, another fight in May/June. Then finishing off the year in November/December with 3rd fight. 3 sounds like a lot, but that's not even a lot in comparison to fighters before the 2000s. They were so busy, they could fight once every 2-3 months if they had no injuries coming off their last fight.

My main issue is that I never felt Spence was P4P. People pretend he's some great win, but I didn't see it before the fight, I didn't see it during the fight, and I don't see it now. He's a good win but he was only P4P because he's in welterweight. Put him up against a 147lb Chocolatito and he'll get battered from pillar to post. That's what P4P means. Skill for skill, who's the best. ​​​​​ . Yes, I don't think people understand pfp. I think spence was considered pfp, because people thought a fight between spence and bud was a toss up who'd win, you pays your money you takes your choice type fight. And because bud is pf p they thought spence must be too, considering he might best bud? But not taking into consideration bud moved up 3 divisions already. If spence was a pf p fighter he'd be favourite to best bud at 147

I don't have a problem with Inoue winning FOTY. Crawford only fought once last year, had he fought twice perhaps he edges out Inoue.

F@ckin Errol and his bs rematch. What could've been Been saying this in the Ennis posts. People hating on Bud when it's Spence that didn't defend against Boots, or any IBF except once in 4 years. It's Spence who put in the rematch clause. Spence who kept us waiting on the aforementioned rematch and kept Bud inactive while he had surgery. Probably Spence who will tie Bud up with lawsuits trying to keep his stupid rematch if it in fact expired in Dec. My main issue is that I never felt Spence was P4P. People pretend he's some great win, but I didn't see it before the fight, I didn't see it during the fight, and I don't see it now. He's a good win but he was only P4P because he's in welterweight. Put him up against a 147lb Chocolatito and he'll get battered from pillar to post. That's what P4P means. Skill for skill, who's the best. Anyways, congrats to Inoue. Well deserved. I have him as FOTY and tied with Bud for P4P #1. If they were in the same division, that would be an insane fight. ​​​​​

Inoue > Crawford Um.....okay. Dumbass. Did you want an argument for this......Inoue is top 5 as well. You must've been a Spence Fanboy. It seems a great deal of y'all are new found Inoue fans because you don't want to congratulate Crawford for beating the dog shit out of your Man Crush......FOH.

Well deserved for Inoue. I think Bud had the best performance of the year but that didn't warrant fighter of the year. Agree. Now that allegedly the rematch clause may be a nonfactor. Hopefully we can see him attempt to get the award this year. Like him or hate him, Crawford in the ring is great for the sport. Even if his opponent is someone that American fans don't approve of or know anything about. I get that the bigger names in the sport warrant much more of a financial burden to those promoting and pushing the event, but I would love for the top guys to be active much more than what most of them do. For different reasons, I understand why.....but some individuals like Gary Russell Jr, Charlo, etc..... I don't like that they demand accolades and respect based on their being able to get in front of some YouTuber and campaign about how talented and valuable they are to the sport.

Shut yo ho ass up, boy. Such a bitch boy response.....Why TF are you even here clown. This is a boxing discussion and your stupid ass is acting emotional, why, because I said something negative about one of your favorite men you cheer for....... Everyone's tough with a WiFi connection. Bitch all you have to do is ignore my post if you have no real response to the FACTS I pointed out.

Well deserved for Inoue. I think Bud had the best performance of the year but that didn't warrant fighter of the year.

He wasn't damaged goods until the 2nd round of the Crawford fight..... Stop with the bull****. Only an idiot is consistently believing the nonsense that keeps being pushed once Crawford beats down their favorite fighter. From Prescott to Gamboa to Postol to Indongo to Khan to Brook to Porter to Spence......each of these fighters were supposed to "expose" some weakness in Crawford and capitalize on it. Each of them had a story line that changed after they fought Crawford....... Prescott was suppose to be too experience, Crawford wasn't ready for that stage.................Crawford outclasses him for 10 rounds...........Then Prescott was just "a journeyman". Gamboa was an undefeated 3 division champion ranked #5 p4p by The Ring Magazine...........Crawford puts him on the mat 5x..............Then Gamboa's been out of the ring too long. He was too small to be fighting Crawford. Postol was Freddie Roach's "next up" after Manny. Was suppose to expose Crawford...........Crawford 12-0'ed Postol...........Then Postol was a nobody because American fans didn't know who he was. People claim Crawford was avoiding Indongo because he hinted to wanting to move up to 147........Crawford dominates him in 3 rounds..........Then... 'Who did Indongo beat to become champion'...... Amir Khan was suppose to be too quick for Crawford with decent ring IQ. Crawford's only chance at beating him was to catch him with a sleeper for a KO because of his weak chin......................Crawford not only puts him on the ground in the first round, but continues to outbox him for the next 5 rounds before Khan quits...............Then Khan was never a threat with a glass chin. Kell Brook was suppose to be too big, too strong, too smart.............Crawford makes one adjustment and stops him in the 4th...............Then regardless of Brook saying he was in the best shape of his career coming off 3 wins.......2 by stoppage.......Brook was a shell of himself....damaged goods. Oh, but Crawford was suppose to be scared to fight Porter. Porter was suppose to 'come to fight'....Guaranteed a KO, doubled down on it the week of the fight. Was suppose to put more pressure on Crawford than he's ever experienced in his life...............Crawford physically and mentally whipped Porter in 10...........Porter was 'too old' (regardless of Crawford being older). He was planning on retiring (though their was ZERO discussion of retiring before the fight). Porter was damaged goods (with no evidence of any major injuries through his entire career, no stoppage losses, etc.....). Now we have Spence....the guy Crawford was suppose to be too small for. Light in the a$$. Spence was asked repeatedly was his plans was to beat Crawford....all he stated was he was going to BREAK HIM.......his strategy was to BREAK HIM....lol. Crawford showed up to Vegas a couple days before Spence. People were telling jokes on the forums and in comments stating Crawford looked drained, yet, the same folk claim they don't think he's gonna make weight because he was in a jogging suit in Vegas. What sense does that make. To claim he's too small, but he looks drained and is struggling to LOSE weight for a fight?..............We saw what Crawford did to him............Now we have all these B.S. excuses on why Spence wasn't able to BREAK Crawford..... Eye surgery that he waited 2 years and 3 fights to have? Cataracts, yet I still haven't see him wear a single pair of shades under the ultraviolet lights at any of the press conferences. We as fans got to stop giving these grown a$$ men who choose to participate in this sport, a platform to whine and cry about getting their a$$ whipped. They given these excuses because some of us silly fans choose to believe and push the notion for them. Meanwhile we are discrediting the other fighters who worked hard for the accomplishments they got the night of. What we see is that Spence has shown himself to be less than the most disciplined over his career. Heavy drinking, not the most favorable friends surrounding him (allegedly), often seen clearly overweight when not in camp, etc....... What we see in Crawford is much of the opposite. Consistently in the gym even when not in camp. Often in camp with other fighters giving pointers and/or sparring. Doesn't drink or club (with the exception of the parade that was thrown for him this year). Fact is, if you are a pro......be a pro....take care of yourself. If you don't, your body will tell on you. It's your own damn fault. PERIOD. Inoue > Crawford

First of all, I agree, I'm not as sold on Ennis- like many on this site are......but that's a different conversation...... As far as Crawford....... Y'all keep barking at Crawford about things out of his control..... Crawford has said multiple times since leaving Top Rank that he wants to fight 3x in the calendar year. He couldn't do it last year because after Spence beat Ugas, there was zero urgency to start the negotiations. Then when they did start, it went for 6 months only to get thrown out over certain details in the contract... Then this year, it took Crawford and Spence getting on the phone to iron out the details themselves to get the ball rolling. And for some strange reason, all of a sudden, PBC wants a "REMATCH CLAUSE" placed in the contract. Something they didn't have on any of the other unification bouts between Thurman/Porter, Thurman/Danny, Porter/Danny, Spence/Mikey, Spence/Porter, Spence/Danny, Manny/Spence (that ended up being Manny/Ugas), Ugas/Spence........NOT ONE of those fights were legally bound by a rematch clause........But Crawford/Spence couldn't happen unless it was agreed upon that the clause be in the contract......... Then after Crawford wins the bout, the clause has to be activated within 30 days.....It took Spence 32 days to officially activate the rematch clause..... Then news broke that Showtime was hanging their gloves up on boxing, so now a new platform needs to take over the contract...... Crawford COULD NOT legally negotiate any other fight outside of a Spence fight for this year...... Crawford's accomplishment was by far THE BIGGEST SINGLE ACCOMPLISHMENT we have seen in decades.......2 top pound for pound undefeated champ in their prime facing off for the first undisputed at 147 in the 4 belt era........Obviously all the excuses as to why he was so dominant came in afterwards as it usually does after a Crawford fight....... 2x Undisputed, 3x Lineal, 9x world champion, 12 wins by stoppage in a row..... The single flaw against him not being fighter of the year......he only fought once.......Okay.... Shut yo ho ass up, boy.

Spence was damaged goods and deathly drained. He wasn't damaged goods until the 2nd round of the Crawford fight..... Stop with the bull$hit. Only an idiot is consistently believing the nonsense that keeps being pushed once Crawford beats down their favorite fighter. From Prescott to Gamboa to Postol to Indongo to Khan to Brook to Porter to Spence......each of these fighters were supposed to "expose" some weakness in Crawford and capitalize on it. Each of them had a story line that changed after they fought Crawford....... Prescott was suppose to be too experience, Crawford wasn't ready for that stage.................Crawford outclasses him for 10 rounds...........Then Prescott was just "a journeyman". Gamboa was an undefeated 3 division champion ranked #5 p4p by The Ring Magazine...........Crawford puts him on the mat 5x..............Then Gamboa's been out of the ring too long. He was too small to be fighting Crawford. Postol was Freddie Roach's "next up" after Manny. Was suppose to expose Crawford...........Crawford 12-0'ed Postol...........Then Postol was a nobody because American fans didn't know who he was. People claim Crawford was avoiding Indongo because he hinted to wanting to move up to 147........Crawford dominates him in 3 rounds..........Then... 'Who did Indongo beat to become champion'...... Amir Khan was suppose to be too quick for Crawford with decent ring IQ. Crawford's only chance at beating him was to catch him with a sleeper for a KO because of his weak chin......................Crawford not only puts him on the ground in the first round, but continues to outbox him for the next 5 rounds before Khan quits...............Then Khan was never a threat with a glass chin. Kell Brook was suppose to be too big, too strong, too smart.............Crawford makes one adjustment and stops him in the 4th...............Then regardless of Brook saying he was in the best shape of his career coming off 3 wins.......2 by stoppage.......Brook was a shell of himself....damaged goods. Oh, but Crawford was suppose to be scared to fight Porter. Porter was suppose to 'come to fight'....Guaranteed a KO, doubled down on it the week of the fight. Was suppose to put more pressure on Crawford than he's ever experienced in his life...............Crawford physically and mentally whipped Porter in 10...........Porter was 'too old' (regardless of Crawford being older). He was planning on retiring (though their was ZERO discussion of retiring before the fight). Porter was damaged goods (with no evidence of any major injuries through his entire career, no stoppage losses, etc.....). Now we have Spence....the guy Crawford was suppose to be too small for. Light in the a$$. Spence was asked repeatedly was his plans was to beat Crawford....all he stated was he was going to BREAK HIM.......his strategy was to BREAK HIM....lol. Crawford showed up to Vegas a couple days before Spence. People were telling jokes on the forums and in comments stating Crawford looked drained, yet, the same folk claim they don't think he's gonna make weight because he was in a jogging suit in Vegas. What sense does that make. To claim he's too small, but he looks drained and is struggling to LOSE weight for a fight?..............We saw what Crawford did to him............Now we have all these B.S. excuses on why Spence wasn't able to BREAK Crawford..... Eye surgery that he waited 2 years and 3 fights to have? Cataracts, yet I still haven't see him wear a single pair of shades under the ultraviolet lights at any of the press conferences. We as fans got to stop giving these grown a$$ men who choose to participate in this sport, a platform to whine and cry about getting their a$$ whipped. They given these excuses because some of us silly fans choose to believe and push the notion for them. Meanwhile we are discrediting the other fighters who worked hard for the accomplishments they got the night of. What we see is that Spence has shown himself to be less than the most disciplined over his career. Heavy drinking, not the most favorable friends surrounding him (allegedly), often seen clearly overweight when not in camp, etc....... What we see in Crawford is much of the opposite. Consistently in the gym even when not in camp. Often in camp with other fighters giving pointers and/or sparring. Doesn't drink or club (with the exception of the parade that was thrown for him this year). Fact is, if you are a pro......be a pro....take care of yourself. If you don't, your body will tell on you. It's your own damn fault. PERIOD.

Thus the reason I said...."Well Deserved" to start my comment....... But the difference is, Loma and Regis are a couple of very good wins........ Based on name sake....neither were in their prime. Neither are p4p. Both had some suspect performances resulting in losses &/or controversially close results. Loma didn't even have a title. Spence was a GREAT win combined with a great and dominant performance. Top 5 p4p, Undefeated.....Reigning Unified and was the #1/2 fighter in the division. Again, Inoue to most fans who only pay attention to the surface of the sport and not the depths, has the best argument....But there is zero arguments pre or post fight suggesting Fulton to be one of the best in the sport, p4p talent. Good fighter, no doubt and Tapales.....most have to google search his career. Truthfully, the amount of times you've fought should not be the deciding factor on who the "fighter of the year" should be.... Because easily I'd be able to point out the hypocrisy throughout the sport on different accomplishments for other fighters...... Both Tyson Fury & Teofimo won Fighter of the Year with only fighting once in a calendar year.... How was it that Crawford didn't win it over Carl Frampton in 2016 when he fought and won 2 world titles as well as winning a lineal title from the Ring Magazine. Having "one more fight" wasn't a factor then....it all should be based on the accomplishment of the fighter within that year. Hell, Crawford won undisputed....the first in almost 20 years....in 2017 and it was awarded to Loma because the media was trying to push this "No Mas Chenko" movement while Loma was getting in the ring with guys he was much bigger than naturally. Thus the reason Teofimo had zero respect for him and wanted to get in the ring with him so badly. ANYWAY..... Inoue won all 4 titles, as well as the ring magazine (lineal) in his division, this year over good competition.... He deserves FOTY..... But just because Inoue deserves it, doesn't mean that a man who goes out and DOMINATES a fellow p4p undefeated unified champ to become the first Undisputed in 2 divisions doesn't deserve it as well. That's the only thing I disagree with in this forum with some posters.... They are trying to suggest that Crawford doesn't deserve FOTY because he fought once......When everyone knows leading up to the fight and post......There was no single bigger fight to be made than that fight on July 29th, because it was built on accomplishment in the sport and not by popularity contest (Tank vs Ryan). Spence was damaged goods and deathly drained.

The right choice imo.

Inoue FOTY and PFP no1, the fact that Inoue has 2 mightily impressive wins in a year back to back shows win over Fulton was no fluke.. Yes, Buds win over Spence was great, but as it is only one win, there is possibility it was down to other reason than Bud being great, could be Spence had off night, without having to bring up fact Bud took 5 years to beat Spence into this discussion. Bud Shouldve got another great win under belt like moving up to beat Tim Tszue in 1st fight, 2 wins back to back to show 1st win against spence weren't down to being fortunate in some way.

Lomachenko and Regis Prograis are two very good wins. Crawford only had one. Inoue had a good one in Fulton and a so-so one in Tapales. Thus the reason I said...."Well Deserved" to start my comment....... But the difference is, Loma and Regis are a couple of very good wins........ Based on name sake....neither were in their prime. Neither are p4p. Both had some suspect performances resulting in losses &/or controversially close results. Loma didn't even have a title. Spence was a GREAT win combined with a great and dominant performance. Top 5 p4p, Undefeated.....Reigning Unified and was the #1/2 fighter in the division. Again, Inoue to most fans who only pay attention to the surface of the sport and not the depths, has the best argument....But there is zero arguments pre or post fight suggesting Fulton to be one of the best in the sport, p4p talent. Good fighter, no doubt and Tapales.....most have to google search his career. Truthfully, the amount of times you've fought should not be the deciding factor on who the "fighter of the year" should be.... Because easily I'd be able to point out the hypocrisy throughout the sport on different accomplishments for other fighters...... Both Tyson Fury & Teofimo won Fighter of the Year with only fighting once in a calendar year.... How was it that Crawford didn't win it over Carl Frampton in 2016 when he fought and won 2 world titles as well as winning a lineal title from the Ring Magazine. Having "one more fight" wasn't a factor then....it all should be based on the accomplishment of the fighter within that year. Hell, Crawford won undisputed....the first in almost 20 years....in 2017 and it was awarded to Loma because the media was trying to push this "No Mas Chenko" movement while Loma was getting in the ring with guys he was much bigger than naturally. Thus the reason Teofimo had zero respect for him and wanted to get in the ring with him so badly. ANYWAY..... Inoue won all 4 titles, as well as the ring magazine (lineal) in his division, this year over good competition.... He deserves FOTY..... But just because Inoue deserves it, doesn't mean that a man who goes out and DOMINATES a fellow p4p undefeated unified champ to become the first Undisputed in 2 divisions doesn't deserve it as well. That's the only thing I disagree with in this forum with some posters.... They are trying to suggest that Crawford doesn't deserve FOTY because he fought once......When everyone knows leading up to the fight and post......There was no single bigger fight to be made than that fight on July 29th, because it was built on accomplishment in the sport and not by popularity contest (Tank vs Ryan).