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Fury is good. Probably second best heavyweight today. But he is facing the best heavyweight on Dec. 1. Fury doesn't know how to deal with windmill power shots. He really doesn't. Little Steve Cunningham dang near knocked Fury out. Cunningham is like Wilder, except shorter, smaller reach, much less power, less stamina, less speed, and less agility. Fury has never shown anything to suggest he can avoid killer power shots. Wilder is going to hit Fury, and Fury is going to be hurt. He will simply be in survival mode after that. He might make it the full 12, but he'll be so far behind it won't matter if he does or not.

He comes back and beats a bum or two. He keeps his personality. And then he gets another big fight. Even if everyone knows he is going to lose, they are still going to tune in. In fact, if everyone knows he will get beat, that could actually get more views. The real question is what does Pac do? He can't beat any of the champs at ww and is 40.

Why does Broner get all these chances? Are you serious?!? Broner gets so many chances, because people hate him with a vengeance. They want to see him lose. He's like Floyd Mayweather, except instead of winning every big fight, fans get to see him lose every big fight. AB draws strong reactions, and that sells. Fans don't pay to see a fighter they like, they don't even necessarily pay to see the best boxers. Fans pay to watch someone they love or to watch someone they hate. People hate Broner. They want to see him lose. And fortunately for fans, they get to see him lose all big fights.

are you serious pacquiao beats Porter he's a champ. sure he might not beat a prime Thurman and def not Spence also Crawford is skilled but has lnt fought anyone that's legit do you think Crawford beats Mikey Garcia Manny Pacquiao Thurman or Spence yea hell beat Porter. Yet the first 2 pacquaio and Garcia is a maybe and Thurman and Crawford a hell no ????? You know who fights similar to Porter? Jeff Horn, that's who. Porter, Thurman, Craw, Spence, DSG, Horn, and Ugas all beat Manny, all day, every day. Mikey would too, at any weight. You think Porter is going to cover up like Broner? Or rough Manny up like Horn? Horn has no skill, but bullied his way to an easy win. Porter actually has some skill, and bullies everyone he fights.

I have never seen anyone criticized for putting weight on from weigh-in to fight as Canelo is. According to g's fans, Canelo is basically a light heavyweight. Now, that there is a rehydration clause, apparently Canelo is a small middleweight. Haters just can't make up their mind. Still, the fact remains, I will bet all my points that Canelo wins. And no one on here, NO ONE, will bet on Danny. Everyone knows Jacobs isn't elite. He just isn't. He got schooled by g, and g is recovering from reconstructive plastic surgery he needed following a fight against Canelo. Jermall Charlo is the best at 160. He has been Canelo's mandatory since Canelo won the 160 belts he has now. He is undefeated. He is too long, skilled, and powerful for Canelo. If Canelo ever mans up, I will bet everything on Jermall. But, Canelo will vacate before facing Jermall. If not one person, on this site will bet on a fighter, that shows what people who follow boxing know. That Danny has no chance. He was lucky to get the decision over Derev, and Derev is no world beater. In fact, Jacobs was Derev's first and only top 25 opponent. The only question for this fight is, will Canelo win by ko, tko, or decision? I think Canelo will ease up and cruise the last few rounds, allowing Jacobs to make it the distance. Which Jacobs and his fans will consider a victory.

It should be said, "moment of silence for those who said..." A "moment of silence for those who says..." is something Broner or Pac would say with their broken English.

I honestly think he should stop getting these chances. I can understand if a guy has limits, but you can visibly see he's not trying. He's down like 10 rounds in the 11th round and he's on his bike whilst pacquiao didn't even hit him for that to happen yet. Broner is a coward hiding behind an iron chin.. Broner at the lower weights didn't have to worry about fighters with pop cause he was a much bigger and heavier guy as is. In just about all of his losses, once he gets hit, he just shuts down and cruises, and plays spoiler..and does just enough that they don't stop the fight. I gotta disagree with you. I think Broner is trying. He just doesn't know want to do when an opponent throws a bunch. Or when his opponent has real power. He seems to believe he should win a round if he throws zero punches and makes his opponent only land 15 out of 100 punches. He fails to realize that Floyd, Hopkins, and other greats would counter after making their opponents miss. Broner just makes them mess and doesn't throw anything back. And he seems to believe that should win him rounds. Watch any of his interviews. Maybe instead of being a hustler, who uses a brash, ignorant personality to sell fights, maybe Broner really is that dumb. Maybe he does believe he is winning, when every viewer has him far behind.

PAC is drug tested, he even said he tested positive... I have no idea about Adrien tho... Pac said he tested positive for "excellence". You do realize if Pac tested positive, that means he failed a drug test, right? Pac tested positive, oh, ok, all's good then! lmao. VADA always list the boxers they are testing. For Manny, it congratulates him for finishing the testing for a fourth time, years ago. It doesn't list Manny or Broner as fighters they are currently testing. Pac was trolling haters when he tweeted he failed a drug test for excellence and his fans think that means he is passing real ped tests. lmao. :smashfrea

I looked into it further. Broner's camp said this fight is being tested by USADA. Pacquiao's camp said it's being tested by VADA. https://www.***************.net/2018/12/27/manny-pacquiao-positive-excellence/ Pacquiao even tweeted about it. I started my #BoxingDay celebration early with a five-mile run up to the Hollywood Sign, followed by 2,000 situps and other conditioning exercises, and finished the morning with a random test from @Vada_Testing, where I tested positive for excellence. @PBC #PacquiaoBroner— Manny Pacquiao (@mannypacquiao) December 26, 2018 Pac's tweet was obviously sarcasm. Or is this fight now in jeopardy because Pac tested positive for "excellence"? lmao.

Since his loss to The Hornet, Manny has decided to never again enroll in VADA or any real ped testing. This is 2019. A pee test right before or right after a fight doesn't catch anything except the anabolic steroids of the 1980's. Believe me, today's peds can definitely give Manny the power and stamina of a much younger man. That's what makes this such an interesting fight.

This fight is being tested by USADA. The same testing in the olympics. https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=761169 This fight is not being tested by USADA. That is something Broner said, as he had to say, if he wanted the fight and payday against Manny. There is absolutely nothing other Broner saying so once or twice to suggest there is any ped testing. How is there absolutely nothing besides one Broner interview to mention this??? I'm with you on USADA being more trusted and legitimate, but I see no proof that USADA is actually performing testing on Pac.

If you truly feel this way let’s make a bet ?i got whatever on Pac-Man You have nothing. That is because you made this alt in 2010 and didn't get your regular accounts banned until quite recently. Your very first post, in a 9 year-old account is this? lmao.

Everyone agrees that today's Broner is a bum. There is no disagreement on that. Yet, Manny beating a bum, somehow makes him a top ww. It means he would beat a top 5 p4p fighter in his prime, in Mikey, it means he might beat Spence, etc. etc. Broner is not a top fighter in 2019. In any division. Yet, beating him puts Manny at the top of the most loaded division in boxing. lmao. Manny is still good, but beating Broner does not suddenly put vault him back into the p4p category. Pacquiao is towards the bottom of the top 10 at welterweight. Which is a hell of an accomplishment considering his size and his age.

Top Rank is on ESPN because of PBC. If PBC never gets that time buy back in 2015, ESPN wouldn't have went to Arum. You don't know that. You are simply saying that because PBC was on random days, at random times, on random channels, that THREE YEARS LATER, on of the networks PBC PAID to be on, decided to invest heavily into one of PBC's rivals. So, PBC buying airtime landed Top Rank a deal with espn and Matchroom a deal with DAZN, and PBC a deal with Fox? And the lowest annual budget, and the shortest contract is the PBC one? ??? Wow, I like it. I never knew Haymon and PBC were only trying to get boxing on different networks. I thought PBC was trying to make PBC successful. I never realized they were so concerned with Top Rank and Matchroom. PBC has the fighters I like, and Haymon hasn't been as bad as Arum or ODLH. I am a big PBC fan. PBC is still alive, and doing well. I just don't understand why anyone believes the time buys were some big success. PBC puts on most of the best fights, and now has shows on a major broadcast network, in addition to Showtime. I like it. I just believe what Fox is doing now would have worked better than the helter-skelter schedule they started with. PBC and Fox have finalized a long-term deal for fights to appear on both Fox and FS1 with an annual boxing budget that eclipses $60 million, multiple sources told The Ring. The deal, which will be announced Tuesday, will kick off in December; the agreement calls for 10 championship-level fights on Fox, with at least another 12 shows on FS1. That’s to be added to Showtime’s existing budget, also estimated at over $60 million. How much did PBC have to start with? Half a billion? PBC had the money to fund both their current deal with Fox and espn's deal with Top Rank for three years! It will work now, and it would have worked three years ago too.

to prove to all the networks that boxing has a core audience that will tune in, any time, anywhere. NBC didn't end up being interested in paying for boxing. if PBC had put all their efforts into NBC, all the time buys would have been for nothing. by spreading things around, PBC increased their chances of landing a paid network deal. things worked out well with FOX and that never would have happened if the time buys had only been on one channel. There is no way to know what would have happened if PBC did things differently. It wasn't so much being on different channels, but there was no schedule at all. No one knew when it was on. I think PBC would have had more exposure with some kind of set schedule. Then people would actually tune in to watch boxing, instead of just seeing it on as they flip through the channels. At PBC's beginning, they aired fights on FS1 on Tuesday nights. It wasn't ever two top level, elite guys fighting each other, but had good fights between prospects and good showcase fights. Then they just did away with it. Top Rank got a big deal from espn. They didn't have fights on random days, on random networks. DAZN gave Matchroom a billion dollar deal, and they don't even have any big names in the U.S. Why the f did PBC pay espn to show their fights?!? espn pays crazy money for crap fights right now. To say PBC couldn't have, wouldn't have gotten a deal with a network if not for fighting on random channels, on random nights, at random times doesn't even make sense. Another valid point, is that was YEARS ago! PBC has been on Showtime almost exclusively for the past two years. I like PBC, and regularly point out the idiocy and hypocrisy of Haymon haters, but I'm a pretty hardcore boxing fan, and not even I knew when all their fights were on. All the money PBC blew through at the beginning could have bought the cards and shows that Fox is now paying for. Fox believes having boxing on regularly will work, but PBC didn't. Fox in now investing in the exact opposite of early PBC. I guess, PBC on Fox will bomb. Being on the same channel and all. I mean having fights no one knew was on was what made PBC. Right? Or was the past two years of PBC fighting only on Showtime that led to a deal with Fox. I guess if Haymon had been on hbo instead of Showtime he could have had espn paying to show PBC fights. To think, Arum didn't even need to spend hundreds of millions televising his fights. How'd he do that?

I dig this site, I really do, but one thing really pisses me off about boxingscene: They are always hyping up a million freaking belts. Sorry, but Canelo is NOT fighting for a world title in a third weight class. At least not tomorrow night. Manny Pacquiao is a legend, no doubt about that, but HE IS NOT A CURRENT CHAMPION. Keith Thurman still has the WBA welterweight title. Which is a joke in itself! Thurman! Its been two years! Callum Smith is the WBA super middleweight champ. Not Rocky Freakin' Fielding. Callum, Benavidez, Ramirez, and Uzcategui are all champs, title holders at 168. That's it. If Canelo wants a title at 168, he needs to fight one of those four.

Remember PBC got sued by Top Rank and GB. PBC lost ground because of that. Those networks weren't lookin at Boxing until PBC came along. I mean you can believe what you want but it's a reason ESPN came to Arum. ESPN got good rating with PBC. I do agree with you about a regular schedule. They still don't have one. But UFC never had one and they do fine. UFC is not on every Sat on Fox. But they did fine. They will not be on every Sat on ESPN either in 2019. That's just boxing. But the networks have lowered. Maybe you are right and espn wouldn't have signed Top Rank, but if that is the case, why didn't espn approach Haymon and PBC? It seems, hbo wasn't paying for all of Arum's mismatches so he had to go somewhere else. None of it really matters now, I guess. We will see what kind of fights and schedule Fox and espn put on. It is definitely better for boxing as a sport to be shown regularly on espn and Fox. So I'm happy.

What are you basing this on? You honestly don't think Haymon tried this initially? Again, this is Monday Morning quarterbacking. WHICH network was going to sell this amount (upwards to 100 hours of primetime and/or Sat afternoon) of its own blocks of time to PBC? You continue to speak as if it is easy or common to simply buy primetime blocks on a channel, ESPECIALLY network TV. It is not. That is actually the most fascinating accomplishment that PBC was able to pull off, one that haters gloss over when 'criticizing' PBC's schedule. You realize that was the EXACT POINT of PBC's Proof of Concept, don't you? Yes, I do. PBC confirmed that there was a market for boxing out there and that boxing was worth investing in. And as the WWE and UFC TV contract musical chairs game got completed, boxing was perfectly positioned (with actual numbers and ratings to back it up from PBC's proof of concept) to benefit. Why else do YOU think ESPN was suddenly willing to increase its investment in boxing even though it had been in the boxing 'business' for over 35 years? Why else do YOU think FOX is now willing to make a 3 year commitment to boxing after only a few random Mike Tyson fights in the 90's? Why else do YOU think Showtime is increasing its budget and commitment to boxing? Why else do YOU think DAZN has (allegedly) up to a billion dollars invested in boxing programming and is using it as the primary driver of interest to penetrate the North American market for its app? Since PBC's inception, there's been dayum near 2 Bil dollars of new investors (Waddell Reed, DAZN, FOX,) and recommitments (Showtime, ESPN) into this sport, a cosmic shift in the power structure (HBO out), promoters now ACTIVELY seeking new revenue sources (which they should be BEEN doing) other than sucking on HBO's' teat, and boxing is on more outlets than ever. Had I told you in 2014 this would be the case, you would have NEVER believed it, and neither would I nor most here. That's mot a coincidence bruh. That's the market reacting to new info. Wow. That is quite a rant. And all it says is that Haymon got Arum and Hearn massive deals. Because you know, reruns of sitcoms and Dateline is something no one would pay for. Believe what you want to. If it wasn't for PBC being on Spike and Bounce three years ago, Top Rank and Matchroom would be bankrupt and boxing would be dead. Thank God, 392 people watched Khan fight on Spike. That convinced espn they need to do whatever it takes to lock down Top Rank. Ole Arum hoodwinked Haymon into getting him a crazy good deal with espn. :banana:

Please explain which major network in 2015 was going to commit to dedicating specific and consistent primetime blocks of its programming schedule to a sport with supposedly 'waning popularity' and said network was not even willing to pay for? Which network between FOX, ABC, NBC, ESPN, or CBS was going to allow Al Haymon to simply purchase 4-6 hrs per week of primetime and weekend broadcast time (and keep all the advertising revenue from those blocks) for 2-3 years to show boxing? Thank you in advance for your response. Fox woulda made some kind of deal with PBC. espn would have too. At the beginning, PBC was supposed to regularly be on FS1 on Tuesdays. I would think a major network would have one PBC card in primetime a month. On the same day. Also, all networks are businesses and do what makes them the most money. All the PBC cards in 2015 were aired, because PBC paid more the networks more than other programming would have. I'm not saying Fox or CBS or NBC would have a PBC card on every single Friday or Saturday night, but PBC obviously paid enough to be on as much as they were. I don't see why PBC couldn't have used that money and had a card on one network, on the same day and similar time, once a month. I fully believe Fox and espn would show the fights they are going to now, three years ago. Especially if PBC was paying them for it! If the network realized it would be more profitable to pay PBC to show the fights and the network keep the advertising money, then they would have done that. So, you honestly believe, that because PBC was on random channels, at random times, on random days, that that is the reason that espn and Fox agreed to show boxing THREE YEARS later? They would have made the same deal three years ago with PBC paying them! There would have been no risk for the network. They would be guaranteed so much money. Top Rank is with espn because hbo quit paying for their mismatches. Networks do what makes them the most money. PBC paid enough to have networks air their fights during primetime numerous times. To have it on semi-regularly instead of paying to put crap cards on Spike tv or Bounce on a weekday evening would have been 100% possible. No doubt about it. PBC hasn't been on network tv for two years. And Fox is now taking a chance and a risk, using their own money to show boxing.

NBC, Spike, ESPN, Fox, NBC Sports, CBS, Bounce TV, Showtime, FS1. That was a lot of networks. But it needed to be done. Imagine if Boxing was currently on 9 networks today. Football is on that many and is the most popular sport in America. Hell no one knows the College Football Network schedule. One night a team may be on Fox afternoon. Next week NBC midday and later in the month ESPN primetime. It's never a problem with NCAA but only boxing. It's on four networks currently and two apps. Football is on the same networks on the same time on the same days. You wanna watch the NFL, it is on CBS and Fox at 1 and 4 on Sundays. On NBC on Sunday nights. On NFL Network and Fox on Thursday nights. And on ESPN on Monday nights. The NFL isn't on random days, on random networks, at random times. Do you know why? Because people wouldn't know when it was on!!! I know the College football schedule. College football is on Saturdays in the fall. CBS shows SEC games, Fox shows Big 10 games, NBC shows Notre Dame, espn/ABC shows various games. On Saturday nights there are usually good games, between two ranked teams. Same channels, same time, same day. Showtime and HBO don't have boxing on random days. If boxing is on Showtime or if it was on hbo, boxing was on Saturday nights. The prospects fight on Showtime on Friday nights. Me and hundreds of thousands of others watch boxing, because we know if it is on, it will be on a Saturday night and on one of two or three networks. The problem wasn't so much too many networks, but no set schedule. No one knew when a PBC fight was on, let alone what network. It made it impossible to follow. Someone flipping through the channels might have seen a PBC fight, watched it, enjoyed it, and tuned in the same day at the same time the next week and nope! nothing.

This is what PBC should have been doing since the beginning. Why the f*^* was PBC on different channels, on different dates? Even hardcore fans didn't know when all the fights were on. Stick with a major free network. Have shows to allow new fans to get to know boxing. Boxing is kind of intimidating to get in to. For someone who has never really followed boxing, they don't know anyone or how good different guys are, or why their are so many different guys (in the same division!) that are called "champions" at the same time. This is what boxing needs. To be truly successful, PBC is going to have to give Fox at least a couple top level, high quality fights a year. At least one card a month, a regular show covering the sport, and at least a couple top fights. If they do that, boxing will become more popular. Especially with espn giving more coverage to the sport and showing Top Rank fights. This will help DAZN too. More boxing fans= more potential subscribers. I have yet to see boxing do the smart thing, to grow itself. I'm not too hopeful, but this seems to be moving in the right direction.

Who said Haymon didn't offer them? Showtime has blown through their budget. I am sure that a lot of SHO's budget is subsidizing Wilder-Fury i don’t act like anything. I didn’t say they turned fights down. I said pbc has tons of inactive fighters and they sure could have used another date this year. Showtime isn’t going to make a pretty penny off wilder vs fury. It’s not a big ppv. Pac-Broner is a much bigger ppv. lol. That was like two minutes apart. You just got owned. :spank: You just call me Big Daddy from now on, and I won't humiliate you anymore. And that's just because I'm a nice guy.

you left out benavidez gavril last year. You keep trying to discount joshua but his cards aren't cheap. Without Joshua they have more budget for other fighters. So 3 cards 2015 and 2 in 2016 and 3 in 2017 for SHO vs 1 in 2018. Do you see a difference? Pretty sure it has more to do with boxers and PBC than anything to do with Showtime. Showtime and Fox just signed deals with PBC, so I don't think they are turning down any fights. You are right not paying for AJ could be paid for other fights. But who??? Hearn didn't have a deal with any network, but now he is with DAZN. There really aren't any fighters not with a promoter/network.

I think Berchelt is real and Donaire used to box in the 90's or around there, but the rest of those names are completely made up. Sober up kid, this site is about real boxing, not your make-believe crap.

Who said Haymon didn't offer them? Showtime has blown through their budget. I am sure that a lot of SHO's budget is subsidizing Wilder-Fury Do you have some evidence, did someone report that Haymon offered fights to Showtime and they turned it down? What fights did Haymon offer? Won't they be announced for next year, pretty soon? Also, I'm pretty sure Showtime is making a pretty penny from the Wilder-Fury fight. That is going to make them money, not cost them. Maybe Showtime has blown through their budget, maybe PBC has wanted fights, but Showtime turned them down, but to just accuse them of that, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, makes zero sense. You act like PBC is offering Showtime all these fights and that everyone knows it. The only PBC fights I've even been hearing about are all ppv. Who else is supposed to fight this year? What are these fights that us fans would have, if only someone would air them?

Its boxing. There are always going to be slow periods. It happens.

Prograis is locked up in the WBSS. Mikey is facing Spence. I would say there is a good chance that a Mikey-Prograis does happen, assuming Prograis wins the WBSS. That would make a lot of sense, regardless of what happens against Spence. I would favor Mikey over Prograis. I like Prograis a lot, I really do. Maybe he continues to get better, but right now he isn't as skilled. His defense is too poor. Prograis would have the power advantage, but Mikey is too good all around. But in 2 years and after a beating by Spence, it could be a different story.

I've been wondering what ever happened to Joshua. I remember he beat Wlad in a great fight. That was years ago. Why hasn't he been fighting since then? Is he taking a couple years off, like Fury did?

It would make sense. There are about a million fighters with pbc. I'm sure Haymon has all kinds of scrubs he can throw g's way. We all know g isn't fighting Charlo or Jacobs or even Andrade. PBC has Austin Trout. Right there is the model of a g opponent.

He's filling these tiny little venues in the UK .. a few hundred thousand fans attended live but no one was really paying much attention, all eyes are on Fury and Wilder, an undefeated champion facing the lineal HW champion of the world. AJ who? I live in the U.S. and literally haven't heard of Joshua since the Wlad fight. If this Joshua is still boxing, he should fight someone good. Get his name back out there some. Maybe even try to get it aired in the U.S.