The thread was sayin of the top WW's, Cotto would be easiest for Pac to beat, not that Cotto will simply be easy for Pac to beat.
But he wouldnt be. Mayweather is an easier fight.
Roach has even said it himself
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cotto's jab > quartey's jab
cotto's hook > tito's hook
cotto's right > hearns' right
cotto's defense > whitaker's defense
cotto's speed > judah's speed
cotto's resume > leonard's resume
cotto is the greatest!
he'll prove it this november when he beats up that blown up featherweight pacquiao.
cmon man be real , His attributes are World class and at the top of the welterweight divsion. I think he could hang at 154 with his skills no problem.
I don't see how him jab is that good. I like his left hook though, which is one of the best punches in boxing. However Cotto's jab is being severely overrated as if he has a Quartey or a Winky Wright jab. That is all.
Okay he knocked down Clottey with it and He completely controlled mosley with it.
His jab is quality bro face it
To me this question is basic logic and commonsense. but
people are obviously judging Mayweather on a higher scale than Pacquiao.
When they say Pacquiao is greater than Mayweather.
and that is fine, UNTIL they start saying they think Pacquiao is better than Mayweather.
Once they say Pacquiao is better than Mayweather they can not used double or higher standards no more. they have to judge mayweather and pacquiao on the same standards.
and once we used the same standards for Pacquiao and Mayweather.
the argument is not even close for who is the better fighter.
Now we are judging them on the same scale. and nomore curve for pacquiao since some people say he is now overall better than Mayweather.
Manny Pacquiao
he's been knocked out in the first round before
he got outboxed by a washed up Erik Morales
Manny Pacquiao fought Marquez , knocked him down three times and still got a draw.
You have to remember when Manny Pacquiao was getting Knockout
Floyd Mayweather was winning fighter of the year awards and beat fighters like Genaro Hernandez.
You have to remember pacquiao was 21 years old when he got knock out in the 3 round ....
Ask yourself what was Mayweather doing when he was 21 years old?
.I will give you the answer.. He was winning Fighter of the year awards by knocking out fighters like Genaro Hernandez who never lost at 130.
By Knocking out fellow top ranked contenders like Angel Manfredy.
While Pacquiao was getting Knockout by No name opponents.. Mayweather was winning Fighter of the year awards by fighting world class opponents...
Just think about that..?
You have to remember the only reason Pacquiao is ranked poud for pound #1 is because Mayweather retired.
So when place and judge on the same standard...You can not seriously say Pacquiao is better than Mayweather.
Oh yeah Mayweather is undefeated.
Can you say Pacquiao Make it Though Floyd's Resume Undefeated....
Doing it at the same age, and the same circumstances as Floyd did....
I can tell you Mayweather would make it through Pacquiao's entire resume undefeated doing it at at the same age, and the same circumstances as Pacquiao.
Pacquiao at 24 is not beating A Prime, Undisputed, Best Body Puncher in boxing in Jose Luis Castillo
Pacquiao at 23 is not beating a Undefeated, Prime #5 P4P fighter Diego Corrales
Pacquiao at 21 is not beating Genaro Hernandez
Pacquiao at 23 is not beating A Prime #4 ranked in the division Jesus Chavez
Pacquiao was getting knocked out in the 3rd round by a fighter name Medgoen Singsurat when he was 21.. So you cant tell me he would beat a fighter like Genro at 21...
You can only say Pacquiao better than Mayweather when you are applying a double standard on Mayweather. Because if you judge them equally...
there is no way you can say Pacquiao is better than Mayweather.
no way.
Saying all this through Pacquiao is still a great fighter
Pacquiao actually fights. mayweather runs and pot shots and occasionally boxes.
Pacquiao will go out guns blazin.
Floyd can box Pacquiao can fight!
Kareoke your ass...Cotto's style is tailored for pac...:chomp:
Cottos style is catered for pac?? haha you dont watch anything but pacquiao fights my friend cause thats retarded.
Roach doesnt even know where to start with Cotto so now theyre gonna get Cottos ex cutman to see if he has any inside.
Team Pac is gonna go into this fight verrrrrry worried.They dont know what to expect from Cotto except devestating power and good boxing skills.
Guys like hatton and Diaz were taylor made for pacquiao. SHitty brawlers with no defense. Cotto is a different animal shun
Cotto's biggest problem is his cardio. That will be his main problem when he fights Pacquiao.
His problem will be trying to find Pacquiao not cardio. I dont know why that would be an issue
If he can time him( which he will) He will knock pacquiao out( which he will)
Probably around after the 6th round
who win this fight? and why?? the WBC superwalterweigh vs WBC WBO middleweigh
Martinez is too awkward for a guy like pavlik. i think pavlik has been exposed. hesa rhythm fighter with a long reach disrupt de riddim brudda.
Pavlik could win by catching maybe but isnt martinez a 154 fighter? Pavlik 160?
I dont wanna sound like a hater but what little I have seen I havent been all that impressed...what is it that makes him so good? Honestly I want some people to enlighten me..I havent watched him much but..what little I have seen I dont understand what the big deal is...anyways this is not a diss just wanna know what the deal is ???
I feel you on this post. i wishJermaine Taylor didnt phase out in that last round and Froch wouldnt be in the picture anymore
Cotto can't box well enough to do so without gassing...
We're overrating his boxing ability..Cotto is mediocre all the way around.
Mediocre power
Mediocre boxing abililty
Mediocre stanima
HUh? are you kidding me? I guess mediocrity can get you the highest KO ratio in the Welterweight division.
I guess Mediocrity can beat world class fighters like Mosley and Clottey.
retarded ass thread.
Cotto is the better fighter boxer and everything else that has anything to do with boxing . he just came in the fight against margarito with the wrong game plan.
Cotto beat Mosley and Margarito got knocked the fukk out.
If your basing this thread on the fight between each other you your not basing a clean fight from the margarito camp. it was a handicap matchup for Cotto.
Dude just watch more boxing please this shouldnt be debated at all.
No disrespect to Cotto but a lot of people thinks that Clottey won the fight. If the bout was held in Las Vegas and/or LA most probably judges will give Clottey the UD.
Some people think pacquiao lost to marquez twice but bottomline its what the judges said.
In cottos defense Clottey was the challenger he had to "Take" the belt away from Cotto.
Cotto couldve easily taken his UD after the 4th round but chose to go 12 rounds. To give that fight to clottey wouldve been robbery. Cotto gave up some rounds since clottey had a busted up Cotto but never the less he lost the championship rouds which was proof that Cotto did his job and put fear in clottey to not let his hands fly or he would get Countered and hurt. I have never seen clottey fight so cautiously ever.
"you know you've done something truly great if people hate on your accomplishments"
^^^a saying^^^
floyd gets more hate then anyone,
in reality he doesnt deserve it, he has entertained me plenty of times,
can someone explain why the hate?
"There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Manny Pacquaio has allowed to live."
"Shane Mosley can count to infinity - twice"
"Miguel Cotto doesn’t wear a watch, HE decides what time it is."
^^^randomness^^^
I really dont like watching marathons
question: is a win over cotto better than wins over baldomir, judah. And sharmbay???
Hell yea !!!! cmon man a win over baldomir and judah shambay??? all these guys are so flawed its crazy.
Easy big guy, we're just trying to discuss who's the better fighter. If it's a retard thread then ignore it and go to other thread that praises Cotto. That's the problem with some boxing fans they take it too personal if you express your own opinion about somebody. This is a boxing forum and you're free to voice out what you think about a certain fighter.
its not personal
I gave you my opinion take it or leave it.
Corley and Judah were not top level fighters at the time Cotto fought them. They never went on to do anything meaningful after Cotto beat them and they were at gatekeeper status by the time Cotto got to them. He beat Judah and Corley more impressively than Mayweather did though. I'll give him that. Quintana only went on to beat Paul Williams in a fairly competitive fight that went the distance and then got sparked in the rematch. He has been pulling out of fights lately. I need to see him do something impressive before I make that out to be some kind of great victory for Cotto.
Whatever buddy. Go ahed down 3 top level opponents man . As far as teh Mosley fight you know nothing bro.
He clearly beat mosley. Only Cotto haters claim it was closer than people think.
A UNANIMOUS DECISION isnt a close fight and it was clearly evident that Cotto overcame the great shane mosley. Mosley also admitted defeat after. he claimed he was outboxed and complimented Cottos skill
Whatever buddy. Go ahed down 3 top level opponents man . As far as teh Mosley fight you know nothing bro.
He clearly beat mosley. Only Cotto haters claim it was closer than people think.
A UNANIMOUS DECISION isnt a close fight and it was clearly evident that Cotto overcame the great shane mosley. Mosley also admitted defeat after. he claimed he was outboxed and complimented Cottos skill
Those 3 fighters Judah QUintana Corley under Cottos belt all are faaar ebtter than De La Hoya and hatton.
Face it man the guys faced way more than C level fighters. Quintanas overtcoming of Paul Williams was amazing. the fact that you downed that is unbelievable.
please dont post unless its logical
Depends on your style and the quality of your opponent.
If you're an all out attacker (as Hatton is) and your opponent is potentially the greatest boxer ever to lace gloves then yeah, you're going to go out early.
Yuo gotta be fukkin kidding. Pacquiao the greatest boxer ever?? hahaha cmon man Marquez showed him how to box in the 2 fights they had.
Look hatton meant a lot to you we know but Hatton was the most overrated piece of crap. Hell David Diaz put up a better fight against Pacquiao
it goes against all logic. But Pac has done the unthinkable in his career. No one thought he'd KO hatton in 2 rounds and knock him down twice in the first. Unthinkable. No one thought he'd STOP oscar de la hoya. Pac keeps going against logic, which is what makes him one of the greats.
I wouldn't bet money on Pac winning by KO, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it happens.
Also, Pac seems to be at his absolute peak right now, he has everything peaking at the right time as far as his skills, physical form and his mentality. Cotto, well I don't think I can say the same. He might be on the downslope just a tad. We shall see.
Logic said he was supposed to beat Hatton whihc he did. It was a horrible style match up. Hattonw as taylor made for the overrated englishman with no defense andwho leads with his chin De La Hoya was surprise but not so much when he tipped the scales before the fight.
I knew that was going to happen once i seen how drained and shitty he looked.
Pacquiao came in heavier than Oscar fight night.
All in all predictable given the situation.
This time hes fighting a comfortable elite at WELTERWEIGHT! Not junior welter not a drained fighter from 154. hes comfortable and in his prime
Cotto is great, but he's getting KTFO by Pacquiao. Pacquiao has barely felt a punch in his last three fights. Contrast that with Miguel Cotto's last three.
Also Cotto's style is somewhat tailormade for Pacman. Look at how Cotto bends his entire upperbody over his lead foot. Pacman will not miss him with left hands coming straight down the pipe.
I just don't see too many ways Cotto wins this fight. He can't afford to take damage from Pac b/c he's already somewhat BUSTED (thanks to margs and clottey).
Pac will finish him off in devastating fashion. I won't be happy b/c Cotto is a warrior and I wish his mgmt team were smart enough to match him with Berto instead of Pac.
Contrast last opponents. Diaz De la Hoya and hatton. Margarito Jennings and Clottey.
The difference is evident. pacquiao hasnt felt shit cause he fought nobodys.
I dont understand agan how Mosley and Clottey cant KO Cotto but somehow Pacqiao can.
Lets see
First off he is a natural135-40 lber. The true welters are much much bigger like Mosley Cotto Margarito. They all come in at fight night round 160lbs.
Pacquiao comes in at 148. That right htere is abig difference alone. Cotto is also much stronger than Pacquiao and has a solid chin at 147. Pacquiao hasnt even been tested. So I dont know what you guys are saying about KTFO.
I feel ike people are giving Cotto a less of a chance than they did to Hatton.
If anyone was taylor made for pacuqiao it was Hatton. Cottos style causes major problems. He counterpunches and goes to the body hard. Pac will be scared as hell o let his hands fly once he feels the power
Who has Cotto ever knocked out besides C-level opponents?
Iunno Corley quintana and Judah were all top level fighters. Fighters that all will give Pacquiao problems
Pac really has only Morales and even then Morales was on his way out already after plenty of battles.
Watch the vid even the commentators say Mosley needs a KNOckout to win.
get your facts straight and biases out of your ass. you havent even come upw ith a legitimate rebuttle. here eat this buddy.
God damn If that cotto comes to fight which I think will since pac isnt strong enough to hurt
Its lights out for the pacman
The reason Mosley admitted defeat was because of the alliance between Arum and Oscar. Do you honestly think that Mosley would be trying to get the rematch in Vegas if he didn't feel ripped off? There's been plenty of shady decisions that have been unanimous (Dawson-Johnson being one). Mosley landed more power punches and was the aggressor in the championship rounds. Shane is speaking his true feelings about the fight now, because he sees of how Cotto is going on to fight Pacquiao without cleaning up unfinished business with Margarito (plaster or not). Has Cotto said, "I am willing to fight Mosley in Vegas?"
Compubox had Mosley throwing more but landing less than Cotto percentage wise watch the video man you dont know what the hell your talkin bout bro.
your conspiracies of arum and oscar need to go bro. Face it Mosley was beaten and a unanimous decision wasnt debated by anyone by FMJ fans who didnt want COtto to fight FMj and Cotto haters who down Cotto on anything he does.
The fight was dominance by Cotto. he outsmarted Mosley and countered him like a master . I DVRed the fight and rewatche dit plenty. To give mosley the decision would be robbery