Video of the Bute/Andrade Controversy

I still get hyped seeing the 12 round and now im pissed off once again. You should of let the video run a little longer where Bute was walking side ways to his corner. Sucks to be Arandade right now, he must feel like shit, but i hope he doesn't let this shake him, he won this fight.

Also as bute was lifelessly leaning on the turnbuckle taking his count at the end the ref didn't ask him if he was ok and also didn't ask him to walk toward him to see how he was.

I can see that point of view, but this is a lose vs lose situation for the ref. If he stopped that fight and took Bute's title away he'd be scrutinized badly. Maybe not as badly because boxing is much smaller in Canada, but I think there would be plenty of questioning his decision. He was in a tough situation. Bute got on his feet, and kept his gloves off the mat. According to the rules, that looks ok. If it had happened twenty seconds earlier, I bet he would have let Bute continue, because he was defending his title and it was the first knockdown. I'm sure he would have gone down almost immediately. Do you stop a guy on his feet in the dying seconds of a fight when his title is on the line? To me, that's a tough thing to do.QUOTE] The way bute looked I would not blame any ref if they did, but then again they were in bute's home turf and the ref was from the montreal. Like I said, I think there are many refs who would have stopped the fight. If the fight was held in the u.s. or neutral territory imo many refs would have stopped that fight even at the 5 second mark. Refs aren't nor should they be held accountable for how much time is left in a fight to decide what precaution to take. A foul in the first quarter of a ball game should be the same as if there was 1 second left in the 4th quarter.

when bute got kd, there was 4 seconds left on the clock. it took 24 seconds for the bell to ring and bute was up by 8,9 seconds by my count. I think the controversy lies more with the delayed bell ring than it does with the ref cuz I don't think the ref changed the outcome, Bute would've won the decision regardless of the refs delayed count. In the case where a guy is knocked down and the count continues after the 3 minute mark, the bell doesn't ring until the count is finished. I don't think there was anything wrong with when the bell rang. From that video, it's really hard to hear when the ref starts counting, but it looks to me like Bute beat the count getting up and was on his feet before the ref warned Andrade back to his corner. So the delay in the count, which was done correctly didn't change anything. All Bute had to do was stay on his feet for the remainder of the count. If anything, he had to stay on his feet longer. If he beat the count he could have collapsed onto the mat immediately afterward if he'd wanted. The only argument I can see is whether Bute should have been ruled as knocked out on his feet, but I think that's a very very tough sell for a guy defending his title, after his first knockdown and way ahead on the scorecards. And I'll add that I'm not sure if the ref is even supposed to stop the fight if he's out on his feet between rounds. From the rules, it doesn't seem like he has to. Maybe he can with discretion for the fighters safety, but when the fight is already over, he doesn't have to protect the fighter anymore. Maybe one of the real boxers, trainers or whatever can weigh in on this if they have experience with IBF or a similar situation.

when bute got kd, there was 2 seconds left on the clock. it took 24 seconds for the bell to ring and bute was up by 8-9 seconds by my count. I think the controversy lies more with the delayed bell ring than it does with the ref cuz I don't think the ref changed the outcome, Bute would've won the decision regardless of the refs delayed count.

I actually thought bute beat the count and got up. At first I thought andrade could have had more time to come in and ko him but that was not the case. Question is should the ref should have stopped the fight since bute looked like a rag doll out there and when he got up from the ko he looked like he was completely gone. I believe there are some refs who would have stopped the fight at the 5 second mark before the knock down because bute looked so lethargic and beat or would have just waved it off when he was getting up due to the beating he took. I can see that point of view, but this is a lose vs lose situation for the ref. If he stopped that fight and took Bute's title away he'd be scrutinized badly. Maybe not as badly because boxing is much smaller in Canada, but I think there would be plenty of questioning his decision. He was in a tough situation. Bute got on his feet, and kept his gloves off the mat. According to the rules, that looks ok. If it had happened twenty seconds earlier, I bet he would have let Bute continue, because he was defending his title and it was the first knockdown. I'm sure he would have gone down almost immediately. Do you stop a guy on his feet in the dying seconds of a fight when his title is on the line? To me, that's a tough thing to do.

What a cunt that ref was, he was blatantly wasting time shouting 'get in that corner!' There has to be a rematch, it would be unjust otherwise. Yep...........

I actually thought bute beat the count and got up. At first I thought andrade could have had more time to come in and ko him but that was not the case. Question is should the ref should have stopped the fight since bute looked like a rag doll out there and when he got up from the ko he looked like he was completely gone. I believe there are some refs who would have stopped the fight at the 5 second mark before the knock down because bute looked so lethargic and beat or would have just waved it off when he was getting up due to the beating he took.

Man, that really IS some bullshit. That ref's gunna get criticized for a while because of that, there's no doubt Andrade had dude out on his feet even at the beginning of the video. If he'd ended the fight with Bute on his feet, he would have gotten criticized just as badly. Bute was way ahead on the cards and was defending a title. This could have been a huge comeback, but I think it was actually handled correctly, as disappointing as it is to see someone win when they're obviously in dire straights at the end.

I posted the IBF rules in another thread. It's really hard to tell when the ref starts counting, but from the time he went down the mandatory 8 count would carry him past the 3 minute mark. All he had to do was get to his feet and stay up, which he did. He was up on his feet before the ref warned Andrade to go back to his corner. Here's the rules (http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userfiles/File/IBF-USBA%20Bout%20Rules.pdf): "4. When a contestant has been knocked down, the referee will order the standing contestant to the farthest neutral corner and begin the count. If the contestant standing leaves the corner before the count has been completed, the referee shall discontinue the count and order the standing contestant back into the corner. The count will not resume until the standing contestant has returned to the neutral corner." "6. The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor." The bell rang late because it doesn't ring until the count is over.

he was out during the count and still out for quite awhile at least another 10 secs after the fight had finally ended. after the bell bute was flopping back to his corner.

What a cunt that ref was, he was blatantly wasting time shouting 'get in that corner!' There has to be a rematch, it would be unjust otherwise.

By my count Bute was up at 9 but was still VERY shaky. Definitely controversial though the way the ref abandoned the count for a few seconds and then started where he left off.

The fight was entertaining. It is what it is.... What an ending!To loose like that... What class he had after the fight. There is no doubt they should fight again. I'm sure they will. It will get the ratings and they should fight in the states this time. Goes to show you, it's not over till' it's over!