The Lie That is White Privilege

[Ruthless One]

When Devon Alexander was being racist vs. the Chinese, was he complaining about "Asian Privilege?"

[K-DOGG]

I've been reading a lot of posts on here since this thread got started and I have to say, while I am not shocked that there is so much ignorance and confusion concerning the phrase "White Privilege," it is rather disappointing that everybody is sticking to their guns and not really reading, "listening" or perhaps comprehending.

Once again, it's perspective, that's all.

Once upon a time, you had Groups A, B, C, D, E, and F.

Certain members (the more powerful, greedy bastards) of Group A, after making sure the less powerful and influential members of the group became subservient to them by conquering and owning everything anyone in Group A ever had, decided they wanted what Group B had too.

Mind you, not everyone in Group A is running the show, just the aforementioned powerful, greedy bastards.

Meanwhile Group B had it pretty good and was just content living life and getting by minding their own business, until Group A moved in and took over everything, partially by force, partially by con, partially by divide and conquer using rival factions within Group B to work against itself.

Now, Group A owned, occupied, and controlled all properties in Group A and B......and started eyeing Group C.

Now years and years and years go by; and the head honchos in Group A realize that they now control everything from A to F, it's all theirs; but they also realize they are outnumbered.

When you can't keep your enemies at bay and hold on to what you've conquered by force, you have to use subtler means. This is where the mind games come in. If you can keep Groups B, C, D, E, F, and the lesser factions of Group A arguing and squabbling amongst themselves, they won't focus on the real problem.....those aforementioned; but almost forgotten powerful, arrogant, greedy bastards....or technically, the great, great, great, great great, great, great grandbastards of the original bastards.

If Group A essentially rules the world, the world is going to look like they want it to look like. The poor sods who happen to be the lesser members of Group A catch hell too; but at least they catch hell in a world which is designed to make everybody want to be like Group A......something they are familiar with for it is the only reality they have ever known.

Meanwhile, Group B, C, D, E, and F also only know the world through the eyes of Group A because, somewhere along the way, the things that made their Groups unique became Community Property.....which is fine with most of the members of these groups, because they want what Group A has anyway, because it's better.

Right?



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[JohnnyRebel]

Interesting...

[JohnnyRebel]

I've been reading a lot of posts on here since this thread got started and I have to say, while I am not shocked that there is so much ignorance and confusion concerning the phrase "White Privilege," it is rather disappointing that everybody is sticking to their guns and not really reading, "listening" or perhaps comprehending.

Once again, it's perspective, that's all.

Once upon a time, you had Groups A, B, C, D, E, and F.

Certain members (the more powerful, greedy bastards) of Group A, after making sure the less powerful and influential members of the group became subservient to them by conquering and owning everything anyone in Group A ever had, decided they wanted what Group B had too.

Mind you, not everyone in Group A is running the show, just the aforementioned powerful, greedy bastards.

Meanwhile Group B had it pretty good and was just content living life and getting by minding their own business, until Group A moved in and took over everything, partially by force, partially by con, partially by divide and conquer using rival factions within Group B to work against itself.

Now, Group A owned, occupied, and controlled all properties in Group A and B......and started eyeing Group C.

Now years and years and years go by; and the head honchos in Group A realize that they now control everything from A to F, it's all theirs; but they also realize they are outnumbered.

When you can't keep your enemies at bay and hold on to what you've conquered by force, you have to use subtler means. This is where the mind games come in. If you can keep Groups B, C, D, E, F, and the lesser factions of Group A arguing and squabbling amongst themselves, they won't focus on the real problem.....those aforementioned; but almost forgotten powerful, arrogant, greedy bastards....or technically, the great, great, great, great great, great, great grandbastards of the original bastards.

If Group A essentially rules the world, the world is going to look like they want it to look like. The poor sods who happen to be the lesser members of Group A catch hell too; but at least they catch hell in a world which is designed to make everybody want to be like Group A......something they are familiar with for it is the only reality they have ever known.

Meanwhile, Group B, C, D, E, and F also only know the world through the eyes of Group A because, somewhere along the way, the things that made their Groups unique became Community Property.....which is fine with most of the members of these groups, because they want what Group A has anyway, because it's better.

Right?



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Why are the lessened factions of Group A responsible for the certain powerful greedy bastards of Group A? Is that not wrongfully profiling all of Group A due to a select few? If B, C, D, E, and F were profiled this way would it not be considered racist? If Group B had some factions of lazy, ignorant, leeches and Group A called them a term for being this way that would be considered racist doe. There should be no double standards of bigotry.

I have a problem with the bigoted term "white privilege" but I have no problem with "elite privilege."

[rorymac]

So basically you're saying that a white man can't enjoy self made success... smh!!!!!!

I'm not saying that at all, I don't like the idea of white guilt

Here's what rorymac interviewing different men on success would look like.(rorymac is the bolded)

Black man: Why are you so successful? Hard work and dedication. Also my United Negro Scholarship helped out a lot along with Affirmitive Action in the workplace.You must've worked extremly hard with all the racism and "white privilege" you had to overcome.

Hispanic man: Why are you so successful? Hard work and dedication. You must've worked extremly hard with all the racism and "white privilege" you had to overcome.

Asian man: Why are you so successful? Hard work and dedication. You must've worked extremly hard with all the racism and "white privilege" you had to overcome.

White man: Why are you so successful? Hard work and dedication. Wrong sir that was "white privilege." Now give that hard earned money to those that didn't make it because they suffered against and didn't make it do to "white privilege." But rorymac I grew up poor in a run down shack. My father left at a young age and I never meet him. My mother was a heroin addict that I pretty much took care of since the age of 8. We actually received minimal assistance since my mom use to trade our EBT to feed her drug addiction. I did odd jobs since I can remember just to get food to eat and twice a week my teacher use to let me get a bath at his house. I did odd end jobs like cut grass and shovel snow until I got old enough to get a part time job after school at 15 years old. I saved what little money I had after buying nothing but essential to live. After graduating I got a full time job at minimum wage and saved up to pay for my own college since I can't find any scholarships for poor white males. I eventually had to get a student loan with a ridiculous rate just to get a better education. I worked all through going to school getting passed over for raises a few times due solely to Affirmative Action. After I got my college degree I worked for a nice company, which allowed me to pay off my student loan, until one day I had saved enough money to start my own business. My own business is now thriving due to my hard work and dedication to bettering my life. (Rolls eyes)You succeeded only due to your white skin... that's what we like to call "white privilege." If you didn't have "white privilege" you wouldn't be successful point blank. Thank your European roots or else you wouldn't have made it through life due to real hardships endured by only those who don't possess "white privilege."

Contemptible. I've said all along that individual circumstances don't come into play. Of course white people can be born into less privilege than black people. Of course there are white people who deserve credit for overcoming adversity. However, statistics show that there is inequality between the races AS A WHOLE. That's all we're saying, and it's indisputable.

If you suggest that these inequalities exists because of inherent racial differences, that makes you racist. There is more genetic diversity between individuals of the same race than there is between distinct racial groups.

[El-blanco'sAlt]

Interesting...

Oh man... dat can't be. Is that Clayton Bigsby, Uncle Ruckus, oh wait it's actually Morgan Freeman. I guess since he's old and his hair is white he's somehow gots dat "white privilege" doe.

[El-blanco'sAlt]

I'm not saying that at all, I don't like the idea of white guilt

Contemptible. I've said all along that individual circumstances don't come into play. Of course white people can be born into less privilege than black people. Of course there are white people who deserve credit for overcoming adversity. However, statistics show that there is inequality between the races AS A WHOLE. That's all we're saying, and it's indisputable.

If you suggest that these inequalities exists because of inherent racial differences, that makes you racist. There is more genetic diversity between individuals of the same race than there is between distinct racial groups.

Not everyone in a capitalist country is suppose to be equal in terms of economics FFS LOL! Those that work harder and are smarter usually have more... and for good reason since for the most part they earned it. Survival of the fittest. I'm not about communism or socialism like some of you seem to be. If you can't make it in the world today then you as an individual are more than likely to blame. Accept responsibility for your own actions. I don't take credit for anyone else's success nor will I take blame for anyone else's failure. I take responsibility for my own! I don't work to feed, cloth, house, or take care of anyone else in any damn way nor should I be inclined to(although unfortunately I'm taxed to do this garbage anyway which is bullshit). I don't care if you can't take care of your kids and afford food or shelter... maybe if you couldn't afford them you should've been more responsible and not had them in the 1st damn place.

I think that instead of playing blame whitey more people need to reach out to all of these poor communities whether white, black, Hispanic, Asian, etc... Educate them, be positive role models for them, instill morals, teach them to take responsibility for their actions, teach them trades, give them jobs, energize them, show them how to farm their own food, make them self sufficient, etc...

[rorymac]

Not everyone in a capitalist country is suppose to be equal in terms of economics FFS LOL!

I never said that, I was just pointing out that there is a racial inequality in earnings.

Those that work harder and are smarter usually have more...

So are you quite poor then?

Survival of the fittest.

I can't work out if you're misapplying the evolutionary or economic term. Either way, it has undertones of racism.

I'm not about communism or socialism like some of you seem to be.

Nor am I

If you can't make it in the world today then you as an individual are more than likely to blame. Accept responsibility for your own actions.

Doesn't really work in practice. Circumstances are far more important than you seem to realise. In anticipation of your response, just because one person makes it out of poverty doesn't mean everyone else can. As you said yourself, "Not everyone in a capitalist country is suppose (sic) to be equal in terms of economics FFS LOL!"

I don't take credit for anyone else's success nor will I take blame for anyone else's failure. I take responsibility for my own! I don't work to feed, clothe, house, or take care of anyone else in any damn way nor should I be inclined to(although unfortunately I'm taxed to do this garbage anyway which is bullshit). I don't care if you can't take care of your kids and afford food or shelter... maybe if you couldn't afford them you should've been more responsible and not had them in the 1st damn place.

Charming

I think that instead of playing blame whitey more people need to reach out to all of these poor communities whether white, black, Hispanic, Asian, etc... Educate them, be positive role models for them, instill morals, teach them to take responsibility for their actions, teach them trades, give them jobs, energize them, show them how to farm their own food, make them self sufficient, etc...

And now you go on to say this, which pretty much contradicts your other points. It's pretty patronising but closer to the money.

[K-DOGG]

Why are the lessened factions of Group A responsible for the certain powerful greedy bastards of Group A? Is that not wrongfully profiling all of Group A due to a select few?

They're not responsible; but because they are members of Group A the world they live in works more to their advantage overall than it does for Groups B through F, who, ultimately, have to work harder to get ahead statistically.

Is profiling wrong? Yes; but we all do that to some extent, no matter how "open minded" we try to be.

If B, C, D, E, and F were profiled this way would it not be considered racist?

No. It would be considered "prejudiced" or "bigoted" based on race.

"Racist" is a system of control for classism which has it's roots in racial differences. "Profiling" is a mental categorization of a group or individual based on the race of that group or individual and alleged generalized characterizations of "that race" whereas "racism" is a means by which to control a particular race through discrimination against said race by either overt or covert means.

If Group B had some factions of lazy, ignorant, leeches and Group A called them a term for being this way that would be considered racist doe.

It would be a racist term issued forth out of bigotry, yes.

There should be no double standards of bigotry. I have a problem with the bigoted term "white privilege" but I have no problem with "elite privilege."

Ah. Well, the problem is "white" is an unprejudiced descriptive of Group A, just as "black" is an unprejudiced descriptive of Group B.

The "privilege" aspect comes into play because all members of Group A share the same skin tone as the elite who are running the show, hence the term, "white man's burden," or, at least my interpretation of it.

The Elite, who are members of Group A, are the architects of the paths to success and consequentially, to failure because they are the ones who designed the current system, which is set up to keep members of their Group, Group A, running things while discouraging members of Group B, C, D, E, and F from getting into that position, as it would be counterproductive to their monopoly.

Because the system itself is what's racist, there are areas where all members of Group A will have fewer roadblocks and obstacles to hinder them from advancing.

This is not to say All members of Group A will have it easy, for many of the roadblocks are economic in nature, and therefore, a hindrance to all who do not have the means.

Most of the tools of the system which perpetuate it's existence and operation are more subtle; but the statistics of proportional members of Group A and Group B who live below the poverty line, are convicted of the same crime, serve relatively different prison terms for the same convictions, etc. bare out the distinct evidence of the differentials put into play.

Not to mention the standards by which each group is held categorically for preforming the same job and advancing. While, on the surface, Group B, seems to have it easier than the underprivileged segments of Group A because of legislation which seems to give Group B breaks which Group A does not have access to, one must look deeper than the surface to devise the meaning of these "breaks".

If members of Group B do not have to perform to the same standards as Members of Group A in order to get either a promotion or a scholarship, who does this affect the most? While it is true that "deserving" members of Group A, who were denied a promotion or scholarship due to the legislation giving Group B a leg up will undoubtedly feel prejudiced against, the real culprit is the mental control this exasperates on both parties.

It feeds the fire of "prejudice" in the underprivileged members of Group A against Group B, thus creating tension; and, at the same time, degrades the drive of Group B by showing them they don't have to work as hard, to be as ambitious. It stifles their drive by giving them an allegedly "easier" path. It effectively controls their advance within the system by keeping their standards lower, thus limiting how far they can truly go, like a piece on a chess board, making them a "token" and affecting their mentality and sense of self-worth.

It causes them to question themselves, "Am I really good enough, am I really smart enough? Could I have done it on my own? Did I get this promotion because I have the talent or because of the color of my skin?"

The underprivileged members of Group A never think of this aspect because it is not their experience. Their experience is that members of Group B have it easier and therefore creates resentment and jealousy, which is also what the elite members of Group A want; it is a desired effect.

Preventing the underprivileged of Group A from advancing on their own merits is merely a side affect.

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