Sean Sherk Responds to Floyd Mayweather

[Left2theliver]

It's actually pretty pathetic. Most MMA fans started out as boxing fans and some (including me) still are.

same here, there really is no reason to hate on the other sport but like i said, probably just insecure about it. They don't have their special aura anymore of being the only sport around that requires to guys to beat on each other.

[Pecs]

same here, there really is no reason to hate on the other sport but like i said, probably just insecure about it. They don't have their special aura anymore of being the only sport around that requires to guys to beat on each other.

qft

I love both sports. They both got their strengths.... and weaknesses

[BEEHOP]

same here, there really is no reason to hate on the other sport but like i said, probably just insecure about it. They don't have their special aura anymore of being the only sport around that requires to guys to beat on each other.

You do realize MMA fans like yourself are far far more disrespectful to boxing. Ever visit Sherdog recently(you have)?

[Pecs]

You do realize MMA fans like yourself are far far more disrespectful to boxing. Ever visit Sherdog recently(you have)?

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An interesting essay from Ron Borges of TheSweetScience.com fame reared up over the weekend. In it, Borges vilifies boxer Victor Ortiz for quitting against Marcos Maidana during an HBO telecast Saturday, admonishing the 22-year-old for “not going out on his shield.”

“He made a wise choice if he was in any profession but prize fighting,” Borges wrote. “It is what separates real fighters from those guys in MMA who flail away with their elbows when they get a guy down but are allowed to quit without recrimination by using a more sanitized phrase when they can’t take it any more. In MMA they say he tapped out. Tap out in boxing and they say you quit … which is what happened Saturday night.”

For Borges, the better part of valor is apparently to dine in battle until you’re engorged with intracranial bleeding. Only sissies quit: the Real Men fight until they drop dead, as evidenced by boxing’s 146 fatalities since 1990.

What happened to boxing’s worldview that morphed their sense of competition from a grueling prizefight into a duel to the death? Why is it so abhorrent to advocate personal responsibility among athletes? Borges implies Ortiz was simply chickening out, not having sustained enough catastrophic physical damage to warrant a relief. (I get the sense a boxer could have an eyeball dangling from his socket prior to walking out, and he’d still be mocked for having “no heart.”)

The problem is that Borges has no idea if Ortiz was seeing double; if his head felt like someone had stuffed a pressure hose into his ear; if his peripheral vision was going dark. Prizefighting is a contract to risk bodily damage for a purse: it is not a moral agreement to be beaten to death if you can help it.

Tapping out, a concept Borges finds disingenuous, is what keeps families intact and allows athletes to remember their own phone number well into middle age. An MMA canvas may look like a slaughterhouse floor, but no one is being butchered. Boxing inverts that premise: the ring is sterile and the gloves offer the illusion of safety. There are 146 horror stories that prove otherwise.
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I got to defend MMA here. MOST of the tapouts in MMA matches occur when a fighter is going to break his arm or leg if the oppoent continues to apply pressure on the submission hold. There will also be times where fighters get ground and pounded so much that he taps out (if the ref didn't stop it). I think that the writer of the report is too bias against MMA, which i don't blame him.

[Spartacus Sully]

f'n ******* Id be on my feet arm hanging ready to go a few more rounds. As long as im conscious im going to fight but i guess thats the diffrence between a warrior with pride and determination, and just another person that likes to beat people up and wrestle.

[Lovely]

im a little drunk and this thread ****ing SUCKS

[Pecs]

f'n ******* Id be on my feet arm hanging ready to go a few more rounds. As long as im conscious im going to fight but i guess thats the diffrence between a warrior with pride and determination, and just another person that likes to beat people up and wrestle.

tough talk.......

[Spartacus Sully]

tough....Not so much. More so i would say a belief as to what boxing...well fighting in general should be and the will power to strive for it. If my belief makes me tough then so be it. Why do you fight? for money? for fans? to beat people up? at the heart of boxing are the hearts of the competitors a show case of pure determination and raw will power. at the heart of mma is just a bunch of people that like to show off and beat people up.


A boxer wont stop when he can tap out. a boxer only stops when he is forced to and that is why a boxer will not lose to some one that has no problem taking the easy way out.

[Pecs]

tough....Not so much. More so i would say a belief as to what boxing...well fighting in general should be and the will power to strive for it. If my belief makes me tough then so be it. Why do you fight? for money? for fans? to beat people up? at the heart of boxing are the hearts of the competitors a show case of pure determination and raw will power. at the heart of mma is just a bunch of people that like to show off and beat people up.


A boxer wont stop when he can tap out. a boxer only stops when he is forced to and that is why a boxer will not lose to some one that has no problem taking the easy way out.

Do you want to be a crippled "warrior", end your career and change your life forever?? I do know what you are saying. Ortiz quit, but that doesn't mean that he is not a warrior. Some decisions must be made, and he made it.

An mma figher taps to prevent himself from becoming a cripple or getting permanent damage. There are more things to consider than being a "warrior" for that particular match.

[Flicker Jab]

I've sparred 12 rounds of boxing (more or less kickboxing before) and I've sparred for 5x5 minute rounds under MMA rules. MMA was a lot more taxing on my conditioning.

Like I said the implication Grappling requires a higher and different level of strength and conditioning.



I know that. Boxing will always have more fatalities than MMA but that doesn't mean MMA fighters are completely impervious to head trauma. Which is what I mean. When you look at fighter like Minotauro Nogueira who takes severe beatings almost everytime he fights. Look at his fights with Bobb Sapp and Cro Cop.

The human head isn't designed to take punches and kicks. When you are in a combat or any physical sport, it's almost inevitable unless you're like Machida or Floyd Mayweather who hardly ever get tagged clean.

So MMA fighters and boxers will all have their share of brain trauma. Boxers will just traditionally have more

Wow, what vast statements. At age 20, you're trying to compare MMA to Boxing and saying that MMA is more difficult, because of your own experiences with it...and that's fine, share your own opinion, even it if is a naive one.


Let me tell you right now that more factors that just the sport affect how you fared, i.e., who were you sparring in each sport...what kind of seriousness was shown in the spars...how many breaks did you give yourself..how many times, if your opponent was more skilled than you, did he show mercy and let you off the hook...I know for a fact if you did go 12 3 minute rounds, at age 20, you either fought a guy with a large amount of mercy on you, a guy with no pulse, or a punching bag. Bottom line.

Same thing with the MMA, yeah, you may have went 5 5 minute rounds, but with who? Most likely a tomato can, and I'm only saying that because in reality, the smallest dogs have the largest bark, and the largest dogs have the smallest bark...and you, kid, are barking up a tree in this thread...


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comparing boxing to mma based on fatalities is foolish, seeing as there are many more active professional and amateur boxers throughout the world than mma practicioners.