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  • !! Anorak
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    #51
    Originally posted by bsrizpac
    Sounds like an excuse to me mate.
    Saying because he looked bad against Collazo = he's ineffective at 147 is inconclusive and based on no logic after just ONE fight.

    He's been shown to be poor against southpaws before, he has a clear limitation with that stance. So he might just be bad with southpaws, he might still be effective at 147. Fact is, we don't know... yet.

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    • DiegoFuego
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      #52
      Whether he could win or not is irrelevant. The fact remains Hatton missed his chance.

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      • Cletus Funk
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        #53
        Where do I start?

        When Hatton's walking around at 180 he's carrying 40lbs of fat so that has no relevance what so ever.

        If you're happy with what a fighter did 4+ years ago then good luck to you. I guess RJJ is still p4p king then?

        You've obviously got an unhealthy obsession with Hatton because I've never seen even his most avid fans mention his WBU defenses as evidence of his accomplishments or standing.

        The Tsyzu that Hatton fought is still > anyone on Floyd's resume. Everyone except the people that knew what was Hatton was about picked Tszyu to win within 6 rounds so don't give me the washed up ****. If you're happy to use that kind of logic then please never use Genaro Hernandez to big up Floyd's resume, he was the definition of a fighter at the end of his career.

        Tell me which fighters you think Hatton should have fought by this point and I'll give you twice as many in relation to Floyd. And if you want to see ridiculous hyping of opposition then do a search on Philip N'Dou.

        Would I take Thaxton or Magee over Judah? I'd certainly give Magee a shot, although he's probably too lazy. Thaxton's got decent power which would give him a slim chance because Judah's a glass jawed bum who's greatest achievement is being 1-1 with Spinks, and Floyd still managed to look bad against him for the 1st 4 rounds even though Zab went into the fight with zero confindence.

        Originally posted by Mattyp151
        Blaming his weight is crap. He comes down from 175-180 pounds sometimes and hits 140, so 147 isn't an issue. It's the fact he tried to push around a guy who was bigger than him and could take his punches. Ricky can't push the world around like his fans want to make people believe. The Tszyu fight was an abomination of a refereeing job going both directions. Not to mention Tszyu was nearly 36, and had only had 2 fights in over 2 years, so it's not like he was beating a prime Tszyu in there. Ricky isn't this godly fighter who has pounded into submission 41 opponents. Sorry, but 15 WBU defenses is a crock of ****, and outside of 2 of his last 3 fights, Hatton's resume is a laugher. Give Mayweather that resume, and tell me you wouldn't rip on Floyd.

        I guess you would take Thaxton and Magee over Judah, seeing as Judah lost because he fell asleep at the wheel vs Baldomir. He was up about 4-2 going into the 7th, and was cruising...just cruising too much.

        Last 4 years? How about the first 6 being better than hatton's entire resume. PS, when Floyd was fighting for his first WORLD title at 21, Hatton was fighting 1-2 Kevin Carter in NJ, a guy who ran up an impressive 9-55 record. So please, don't even try and skew resumes because Ricky has 2 big time fights and because both happened in the last 1 1/2 years.
        Last edited by Cletus Funk; 09-08-2006, 07:55 PM.

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          #54
          If Hatton tries to use his jab and handspeed, he would get beaten down. He cant try to box with Floyd, because Floyd would put a clinic on him. Floyd has enough pop to hurt Ricky.

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            #55
            Originally posted by !! Anorak
            Saying because he looked bad against Collazo = he's ineffective at 147 is inconclusive and based on no logic after just ONE fight.

            He's been shown to be poor against southpaws before, he has a clear limitation with that stance. So he might just be bad with southpaws, he might still be effective at 147. Fact is, we don't know... yet.
            That fight shows how much trouble Ricky would have with a slick boxer.

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            • Cletus Funk
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              #56
              Originally posted by PBF34
              That fight shows how much trouble Ricky would have with a slick boxer.
              Did people say that SRL couldn't deal with pressure fighters after the 1st Duran fight?

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                #57
                Originally posted by GEOFFHAYES
                Ricky was at fighting weight within a few weeks of the Tszyu camp. Losing fat is as easy as pie when you train with the intensity of Hatton, and even easier when your so hyped about an upcoming fight that you need sleeping pills to get you to sleep.

                Which was the opposite of Tszyu, having to wear that special suit to help him lose the weight, causing him to look ill at the weigh-in...

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                • Abe Attell
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Cletus Funk
                  Where do I start?

                  When Hatton's walking around at 180 he's carrying 40lbs of fat so that has no relevance what so ever.

                  If you're happy with what a fighter did 4+ years ago then good luck to you. I guess RJJ is still p4p king then?

                  You've obviously got an unhealthy obsession with Hatton because I've never seen even his most avid fans mention his WBU defenses as evidence of his accomplishments or standing.

                  The Tsyzu that Hatton fought is still > anyone on Floyd's resume. Everyone except the people that knew what was Hatton was about picked Tszyu to win within 6 rounds so don't give me the washed up ****. If you're happy to use that kind of logic then please never use Genaro Hernandez to big up Floyd's resume, he was the definition of a fighter at the end of his career.

                  Tell me which fighters you think Hatton should have fought by this point and I'll give you twice as many in relation to Floyd. And if you want to see ridiculous hyping of opposition then do a search on Philip N'Dou.

                  Would I take Thaxton or Magee over Judah? I'd certainly give Magee a shot, although he's probably too lazy. Thaxton's got decent power which would give him a slim chance because Judah's a glass jawed bum who's greatest achievement is being 1-1 with Spinks, and Floyd still managed to look bad against him for the 1st 4 rounds even though Zab went into the fight with zero confindence.

                  There were people picking Hatton to win, or at least took it into consideration...remember, even Hatton's camp was saying before the fight that the reason why they had the advantage is because Tszyu was in him mid 30's, come off a long layoff from injuries, and only fought 9 rounds in 3 years. Remember the famous quote by Frank Warren, "We are getting Kostya Tszyu at the RIGHT TIME, and we are able to get him in Ricky's backyard"


                  Was Ricky the hungrier fighter, of course

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                  • borikua
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                    #59
                    You know what is sad? Urango will beat Hatton and then we wont ever see any Hatton-Floyd/Cotto fight...

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                    • Left2body
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Cletus Funk
                      Where do I start?

                      When Hatton's walking around at 180 he's carrying 40lbs of fat so that has no relevance what so ever.

                      If you're happy with what a fighter did 4+ years ago then good luck to you. I guess RJJ is still p4p king then?

                      You've obviously got an unhealthy obsession with Hatton because I've never seen even his most avid fans mention his WBU defenses as evidence of his accomplishments or standing.

                      The Tsyzu that Hatton fought is still > anyone on Floyd's resume. Everyone except the people that knew what was Hatton was about picked Tszyu to win within 6 rounds so don't give me the washed up ****. If you're happy to use that kind of logic then please never use Genaro Hernandez to big up Floyd's resume, he was the definition of a fighter at the end of his career.

                      Tell me which fighters you think Hatton should have fought by this point and I'll give you twice as many in relation to Floyd. And if you want to see ridiculous hyping of opposition then do a search on Philip N'Dou.

                      Would I take Thaxton or Magee over Judah? I'd certainly give Magee a shot, although he's probably too lazy. Thaxton's got decent power which would give him a slim chance because Judah's a glass jawed bum who's greatest achievement is being 1-1 with Spinks, and Floyd still managed to look bad against him for the 1st 4 rounds even though Zab went into the fight with zero confindence.
                      Hatton himself talked about Tzu not being prime.....that is a fact.

                      "I know Kostya's up for it, too, and I wouldn't expect anything else from him. But he's had nine rounds of competitive boxing in four years and has been out injured for maybe a total of two years."

                      If I am going to stop him, it will be later on. If he stops me, it will be early. He hasn't been in the trenches in five years, though. Let's see what he's got left." -Ricky Hatton

                      So I guess Hatton's own estimation of Tzu doesnt count either huh

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