How great was Floyd Mayweather??

[Roadblock]

Well, I see what you say, but Mayweather spent half of his career at 147+, THAT div is LOADED with Killers who'd chew and spit out Mr.M. Duran, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns and Macho, begore he became gun shy, was brilliant.. Many of the guys I began with were lightweights. and a a few who were jumping between 126 and 135, even up to 140. Benny Leonard and Barney Ross were both lightweight champs for a long number of years, Ross was the first 3 weight champ. and Bet Jimmy McLarnin twice. I forgot to mention him.. You should read up on some of these guys. And there are so many I haven'r mntioned...like Jose Napoles for example or Donald Curry. Esteban De Jesus at 135 beat Duran in a non-ttle, and in title match gave him hell. I saw both fights. I saw Curry, a really great fighter, get killed by Honeghan who was a 5-1 undedog. All I could see from behind, were flailing fists and Curry was reaped as with a sickle..

Anyway, their opponents were, a great many of them HOFers, and long time champs in their own rights. I was just generally showing you how many really great, serious, hungry fighters there were out there. When I mentioned Papp at 154, he could also make 147, and his amateur record alone as well as his unbeaten pro resord are startling. Josef Torma another welter was a killer who actually beat Papp, who had 58 1st rd KOs..not TJOs but the real thing. Carlos Ortiz was lightweight champ for about 6 years , later 140 lb champ. His opponents were a list of former and coming champs too These guys got down to business, no messing around with cunning advantages in contracts. They wanted to fight and get paid. What do you think that our friend could do against a determined guy like Flash Elorde. I didn't mention Joe Brown. You have to have read the actuall news written at the time and SEEN the fights themselves. Benvenuti as welter and Mazzinghi were killers. so were nearly all the champs I mentioned . When I say they'd eat up MrM. I meant just that. His "shoulder roll" and footwork wouldn't help him...they ALL had shoulder rolls, and better than his, also knew how to negate .it. They CAUGHT incoming punches with their gloves. Duilio Loi would have overwhelmed him, a non-stop locomotive, who could ALWAYS turn up a notch, for speed and over-all ability. I saw them all. I even met a few.

So you see there are plenty of candidates in the lighter classes who are on my list. including many HOFers. They had only 8 Divisions too, which makes a huge difference in the quality expected of, and contained in, a champion. The numbers of competitive boxers was enormous, and many guys who held titles for 5 or more years, had 40+ fights before getting title shots. It was a reptile pit, and there would be a dozen candidates who on a good day could emerge on top, although maybe not for long. .

Not like today when you can count on one hand and still have a few fingers over, if they ever stop trying to outwit one another in contracts 40 pages long. (guessing).

Anyway, no need to be clever and "pin me down". I was just giving an opinion like everyone else on this site. I'd already mentioned enough fighters at or around the weight that you want.

Robinson fought at 135, how do you think Mr. M would do against him..??..Fritzie Zivic would have both his eyes closed before the ref would even notice.Servo. Tommy Bell, Carmen Basilio.....Guys who refused to lose.

Thats a long way around saying anyone can lose, Ive seen it myself many times thats why I dont claim Floyd could beat them I claim he could hold his own with anyone his size, thats a very different statement.

Im careful in how I word something as its very easy to taken the wrong way in writing.

As I said I believe the very best of the best has only fractions between them and nobody stands out to me that would beat all others , way to many variables for that especially when many of the most dangerous fights are often against guys expected to lose that have nothing to lose, its extremely hard to be on top of your game all the time year in and year out.

When talking the likes of Don Curry they are flash in the pans to me they come with a massive reputation and fall flat on there face their career is over in a few years, its very hard to do what Floyd did over such a long time, he beat a lot of Honeyghan level guys.

[edgarg]

Thats a long way around saying anyone can lose, Ive seen it myself many times thats why I dont claim Floyd could beat them I claim he could hold his own with anyone his size, thats a very different statement.

Im careful in how I word something as its very easy to taken the wrong way in writing.

As I said I believe the very best of the best has only fractions between them and nobody stands out to me that would beat all others , way to many variables for that especially when many of the most dangerous fights are often against guys expected to lose that have nothing to lose, its extremely hard to be on top of your game all the time year in and year out.

When talking the likes of Don Curry they are flash in the pans to me they come with a massive reputation and fall flat on there face their career is over in a few years, its very hard to do what Floyd did over such a long time, he beat a lot of Honeyghan level guys.

well take Curry. No.1 Lb4lb undisputed xhamp for 3-4 years, and light middle champ as later as 1988. Went up agains the top middles champs and although always winning most rds didn't succeed. But he fought everyone he could, and it was a series or real murderers.

Peronally my opinion is that Mr.M would not beat him. You have your opinion contrary to mine, You are careful what you say and try to corner me, for reasons known to you, but not me. Your friend could not live long in the same ring with many I mentioned. That;s what I feel I know. I appreciate your care as I learned to be the very same with 4 years Uni and 4 years Law office.

So, as this is an amicable chat, lets end it that way. I beieve what I feel is true. You believe what you want.

[spytactics]

Manny’s accomplished what Ghayweather could never do...win belts while moving up in weight...fighting guys bigger and stronger than him. Manny has challenged himself and climbed to the top as this generation’s GOAT. Ghayweather chased the money over the legacy so he got what he wanted. Plus, he should’ve been dq’d in the Judah bout, lost the first JLC fight, lost the first Maidana fight, and drew/lost the Manny fight.

[War Room]

I used to feel the same way about Floyd choosing to fight certain fighters on his terms, but then I looked at the situation. Floyd could call his shots, on his terms, he was the man.

He retired with how many hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank. You can complain about who he fought and when he fought them. Floyd will just be counting his money.

The end goal in boxing is to retire with enough money to support yourself. Floyd did just that many, many times over.

And I sign my name with lots of 'dots' because I can. LMAO at the embicile complaining about how I finish my posts, he's more like the Room. Waaa!
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I'm not complaining, you are. Floyd fought everybody when they were available and the bums like you say he got them at their weakest, has nothing to do with him. He been calling them out, I proved that.

So what, he wanted certain gloves. So what he demanded a bigger split. So what he wanted drug testing.

You sign your name with exactly 11 dots every time, it's just weird. Like, what do you think you're doing with those 11 dots and putting your name at the end? You feel like more official or is it like a tick? Put all the dots you want, it's you that looks like you have some mentai issue.

[Rockin']

I'm not complaining, you are. Floyd fought everybody when they were available and the bums like you say he got them at their weakest, has nothing to do with him. He been calling them out, I proved that.

So what, he wanted certain gloves. So what he demanded a bigger split. So what he wanted drug testing.

You sign your name with exactly 11 dots every time, it's just weird. Like, what do you think you're doing with those 11 dots and putting your name at the end? You feel like more official or is it like a tick? Put all the dots you want, it's you that looks like you have some mentai issue.

Like I really care what these people think of me, especially you.
(Actually; there are some good people in here, but again, you are not one of them)........Rockin'

[War Room]

Like I really care what these people think of me, especially you.
(Actually; there are some good people in here, but again, you are not one of them)........Rockin'

If you didn't care, you wouldn't reply. You're a sucka.

How would a bias sucka know what's good or not anyway? You think Floyd picked his opponents at his weakest, ydksab pleb.

[Roadblock]

well take Curry. No.1 Lb4lb undisputed xhamp for 3-4 years, and light middle champ as later as 1988. Went up agains the top middles champs and although always winning most rds didn't succeed. But he fought everyone he could, and it was a series or real murderers.

Peronally my opinion is that Mr.M would not beat him. You have your opinion contrary to mine, You are careful what you say and try to corner me, for reasons known to you, but not me. Your friend could not live long in the same ring with many I mentioned. That;s what I feel I know. I appreciate your care as I learned to be the very same with 4 years Uni and 4 years Law office.

So, as this is an amicable chat, lets end it that way. I believe what I feel is true. You believe what you want.

Not trying to corner you my friend just shrinking the book ends.

The truth can be an elusive target sometimes quite often it cannot be established in words, I would like to sit ringside beside you for Curry vs Mayweather at 147 with a nice wager between us, when it was over the truth we look for would be on our faces , other than that we are pissing in the wind.

[Zaroku]

I have him 6th on my list.

He was arguably the most consistent over an entire career but he never reached the same heights as other greats. For example, he never beat a prime undefeated Hearns or a 11 year undefeated Hagler like Leonard. Stuff like that is largely down to the era you fight in, certain greats were blessed with greater competition than others.

Him and Pacquiao both limited their ATG status by not fighting at their peaks though. I ain’t interested in the who ducked who sh**, they’re both to blame IMO.

My personal top 10 is:

1. Robinson
2. Armstrong
3. Ali
4. Leonard
5. Roy Jones. (Although I believe he was the most talented fighter ever)
6. Mayweather
7. Duran
8. Pacquiao
9. Pep
10. Greb

Erik Morales?
Salvador Sanchez
Young dudes kinda piss me off

Jack Johnson would smash ali easy

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Erik Morales?
Salvador Sanchez
Young dudes kinda piss me off

Jack Johnson would smash ali easy

I love Sal but he didn’t have a long enough career due to tragic circumstances.

Morales and Johnson don’t come close to any of that 10 IMO. Great fighters but not that level in terms of accolades.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Yep, but I also get sick of haters starting the same sht every day its only a few that annoy me with their BS agenda so I just keep slapping them.

It’s seems in every single Floyd or Pac thread it’s you same Floyd fanboys along with the same Pac fanboys going over the same old ground again and again. It’s pretty sad tbh.