How great was Floyd Mayweather??

[spytactics]

Ghayweather is 25-30. Other than being undefeated, he really didn’t accomplish a stand out feat. McGregor fight shouldn’t count...that shlt was a farce piece of garbage fight. Plus, he should have a few losses on his record if you want to be 100% real about it. Pac is top 5

[Roadblock]

No one owns the oxygen and there is plenty to go around but Floyd did fight a guy who had zero boxing matches for his historic 50th wins as if other fighters had not gotten past 50 wins without a loss and had faced tougher opponents.

49 fights and thats all you got lol , the guy Manny decided to fight only he got stopped first but thats ok isnt it , I can respect criticism with substance to back it up but you haters haven't got any substance.

As I said you wanna debate their resumes fight for fight and we will see who is the real cherry picker .

The world is full of polluted air you only add to it.

[GrandpaBernard]

Floyd was too slique manny was never gon get it

[Roadblock]

Ghayweather is 25-30. Other than being undefeated, he really didn’t accomplish a stand out feat. McGregor fight shouldn’t count...that shlt was a farce piece of garbage fight. Plus, he should have a few losses on his record if you want to be 100% real about it. Pac is top 5

The body of work is better than Mannys and he beat Manny in the ring, Manny doesnt make top 10 at any weight, while talking real Manny has 7 losses and put to sleep by guys Floyd would toy with.

[Spray_resistant]

49 fights and thats all you got lol , the guy Manny decided to fight only he got stopped first but thats ok isnt it , I can respect criticism with substance to back it up but you haters haven't got any substance.

As I said you wanna debate their resumes fight for fight and we will see who is the real cherry picker .

The world is full of polluted air you only add to it.

I was really just having fun here, earlier in his career he fought some decent guys but in the later stages some pretty underwhelming opponents......I mean Berto, Ortiz, Guerrero, thats pretty bad.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

The body of work is better than Mannys and he beat Manny in the ring, Manny doesnt make top 10 at any weight, while talking real Manny has 7 losses and put to sleep by guys Floyd would toy with.

Do you not get bored of having this same discussion day in day out?

[Roadblock]

I was really just having fun here, earlier in his career he fought some decent guys but in the later stages some pretty underwhelming opponents......I mean Berto, Ortiz, Guerrero, thats pretty bad.

Its not as bad as Algieri Rios Matthysse Broner, there is not a fighter in history who doesnt have soft touches on their resume, if thats all you have you are not looking at others under the same microscope, and that is my entire point , comparison !

[Roadblock]

Do you not get bored of having this same discussion day in day out?

Yep, but I also get sick of haters starting the same sht every day its only a few that annoy me with their BS agenda so I just keep slapping them.

[djtmal]

Pretty Boy he was cool but then he morphed into low/no risk high rewardweather. I would fight a top prime opponent, but I'm vacationing at the shoreweather.

[edgarg]

Why I asked is I find it a stretch to find over 100 guys that would beat Mayweather at LW, that is is his best weight not 154, its like comparing Duran to 154-160 guys where he doesnt compare to the great 154-60 weight class guys even though he did well with some of them its was nowhere near his best weight.

When we are talking great fighters head to head its really only fair to compare them at their best weights .

I believe Floyd could hold his own with any 130-135 fighter in history, could possibly beat them all or not its really pie in the sky material.

When we talk about greatness it encompanses many areas but ring ability is the over riding factor.

Ray Robinson regarded by many as the GOAT yet 90% of his resume is cans , he beat only a handful of elite for the time fighters which is how it is throughout history for any fighter, you cannot fight great competition on a monthly basis.

I believe the likes of Leonard Hagler would go through Rays resume just the same, which is why I dont like the concept of GOAT as the reality in the difference between true greats is fractions of a second and it also varies with who is in the zone on the night, its a fans argument about who he likes more than anything else which is why I dont like to go deep into this one.

Well, I see what you say, but Mayweather spent half of his career at 147+, THAT div is LOADED with Killers who'd chew and spit out Mr.M. Duran, Robinson, Leonard, Hearns and Macho, begore he became gun shy, was brilliant.. Many of the guys I began with were lightweights. and a a few who were jumping between 126 and 135, even up to 140. Benny Leonard and Barney Ross were both lightweight champs for a long number of years, Ross was the first 3 weight champ. and Bet Jimmy McLarnin twice. I forgot to mention him.. You should read up on some of these guys. And there are so many I haven'r mntioned...like Jose Napoles for example or Donald Curry. Esteban De Jesus at 135 beat Duran in a non-ttle, and in title match gave him hell. I saw both fights. I saw Curry, a really great fighter, get killed by Honeghan who was a 5-1 undedog. All I could see from behind, were flailing fists and Curry was reaped as with a sickle..

Anyway, their opponents were, a great many of them HOFers, and long time champs in their own rights. I was just generally showing you how many really great, serious, hungry fighters there were out there. When I mentioned Papp at 154, he could also make 147, and his amateur record alone as well as his unbeaten pro resord are startling. Josef Torma another welter was a killer who actually beat Papp, who had 58 1st rd KOs..not TJOs but the real thing. Carlos Ortiz was lightweight champ for about 6 years , later 140 lb champ. His opponents were a list of former and coming champs too These guys got down to business, no messing around with cunning advantages in contracts. They wanted to fight and get paid. What do you think that our friend could do against a determined guy like Flash Elorde. I didn't mention Joe Brown. You have to have read the actuall news written at the time and SEEN the fights themselves. Benvenuti as welter and Mazzinghi were killers. so were nearly all the champs I mentioned . When I say they'd eat up MrM. I meant just that. His "shoulder roll" and footwork wouldn't help him...they ALL had shoulder rolls, and better than his, also knew how to negate .it. They CAUGHT incoming punches with their gloves. Duilio Loi would have overwhelmed him, a non-stop locomotive, who could ALWAYS turn up a notch, for speed and over-all ability. I saw them all. I even met a few.

So you see there are plenty of candidates in the lighter classes who are on my list. including many HOFers. They had only 8 Divisions too, which makes a huge difference in the quality expected of, and contained in, a champion. The numbers of competitive boxers was enormous, and many guys who held titles for 5 or more years, had 40+ fights before getting title shots. It was a reptile pit, and there would be a dozen candidates who on a good day could emerge on top, although maybe not for long. .

Not like today when you can count on one hand and still have a few fingers over, if they ever stop trying to outwit one another in contracts 40 pages long. (guessing).

Anyway, no need to be clever and "pin me down". I was just giving an opinion like everyone else on this site. I'd already mentioned enough fighters at or around the weight that you want.

Robinson fought at 135, how do you think Mr. M would do against him..??..Fritzie Zivic would have both his eyes closed before the ref would even notice.Servo. Tommy Bell, Carmen Basilio.....Guys who refused to lose.