How great was Floyd Mayweather??

[djtmal]

You mean a past prime Floyd 1 fight away from retirement beat Manny 4 yrs before Thurman .

The fight was a UD thats conclusive one judge gave Floyd 10 rnds and 8 rounds by the other 2, thats a clear win.

Floyd beats Manny any time from 130 to 154, the lower weights Floyd stops him.

The let down in the big fight was Manny because he couldnt do anything he was lost at sea, Floyd was the same defensive wizard he always was.

So if Floyd was past his prime, and Manny was more shopworn and had previously been knocked out, how much credit can you lend to that. If it was a overmarinated, big payday for both guys let it be that, but a fight to determine who is the better fighter no both guys need to be prime for that.

[Rockin']

Only while you throw stones from glass houses.

The question is still there unanswered by you stay in that house boy its safer .

What is the question? .......Rockin'

[Roadblock]

So if Floyd was past his prime, and Manny was more shopworn and had previously been knocked out, how much credit can you lend to that. If it was a overmarinated, big payday for both guys let it be that, but a fight to determine who is the better fighter no both guys need to be prime for that.

Its not really about credit thats just a fans scale, its who beat who when they fought, when all the talk was over they both had the same chance and Manny was a total flop who did nothing what he said he was going to do, Floyd did what he said he would do and won clearly.

Is what it is .

[War Room]

-sure i'll write it in paragraph. but let me answer this first one by one.

Floyd is well-knowned as a professional boxer, a gym rat or etc. so it's easy for him to make the weight. if he really kept a few lbs as his advantage then i can say he was not a disciplined boxer after all.[/B]

Great, thank you for trying.

Reiterating, Floyd was out for two years, 13 years as a pro, and 32 years old. You need better research and understanding of the evolution of sports and athletics in boxing. I'm going to help you.

Pro careers go 14-16 years and end stage is 32-34 if you turn pro at 18 and don't take a lot of damamge along the way. Floyd was at the literal end of his prime. These are numerical facts.

-yeah you've said it right marquez was a slow puncher and putting up more weights means he's gotten slow more than he was.

Incorrect. I never said he was a slow puncher. I said he was never a fast puncher. There are things more important than being fast. Going up in weight doesn't always diminish punch speed, power yes, foot speed yes, punch speed, not so much.

that's why it was more of his advantage even if he agreed to the catchweight he still left some lbs to him to avoid inconvenience to his body. easy to pay than to lose the precious 0

it wasn't "more" of an advantage. It's just how they were born. One was bigger, one was smaller. Science.

Floyd would never lose to Marquez under any reasonable circumstances. 100 out of 100 Floyd wins. Look man, Floyd and Marquez are both counter punchers and one of better than the other. That's just the way it is.

he proclaimed that he was the best ever so everyone believes that 2 years retirement isn't a big factor. he was still training his body for sure during that time frame.

Again, wrong. Everyone doesn't believe that two years off isn't a big factor. Who are you referring to? I've never heard that in my life. Two years off for anyone is a big deal. If it wasn't, he wouldn't have taken a tune up fight and this was a tune up fight.

i just put it there to show people saying pac cannot penetrate and hit floyd. and showing how he run is the real scenario that night. i know you knew it back then so i gotta show this to the floyd fans.
i'm impressed with floyd tbh but not after he starts to cherrypick his opponents.

Manny landed some punches sure, but he got dominated during the fight. Manny is a great fighter, no argument there, but he was levels under Floyd and Floyd would beat him worse if he wasn't well out of his prime. I gave Manny like three rounds give or take. It wasn't close and Floyd was well out of his prime. He retired 2 fights after. Again, numerical facts.

Remember I said a pro career goes 14-16 years and prime ends 32-34? Well Floyd was 19 years as a pro as 38 year old. Don't take my word for it, do your own research on boxrec. Look at atg's and when they were at their worst. Some lasted longer because they took less damage, divisions and talent pool got lower, etc. But if you know the sport you should know when they started looking bad. Those numbers are solid.

• Ali at 18 years as a pro, he was getting trounced by Leon Spinks. Shavers beat the living day lights out of him the year before.
• Mosley at 19 years pro got blasted out by Mundine!
• Oscar made it 16 years.
• Leonard, 14 years in was getting obliterated by Norris. 20 years in, stopped by Camacho.
• Tyson, 19 years in smoked by Williams and next year destroyed by McBride.

Floyd doesnt run, he stalks, this has been proven time and time again.

And let's be honest, you're not trying to "show" anybody anything like your sig is some educational segment lmao. You're being a troll and trying to make fun of Floyd. Look at your avatar, keep it real!

the skills is there but never proved to me after fighting such a cherrypicked opponents.. if he was fighting the pime opponents then i never talksht about him just like people discrediting pac.

What cherry picked opponents though? Floyd called our Mosely and Oscar well during their prime. I don't like discrediting Manny, it's just how things played out. He IS the catchweight king. His handlers did get his biggest names when they were at their weakest. You can't factually say the same thing about Floyd.

It's ok to like both fighters you know. I like them both. Manny is a great fighter, no doubt. Floyd is better, so what, it's not a big deal. You can't honestly say Manny is better and not look willfully ignorant. The facts are overwhelming.

You can hum and haw until the cows come home about how Floyd did this and that, but it doesn't make any sense.

It's totally ok to change your stance. Real men admit defeat. I mean, look at Wilder. The guy can't admit he lost legit and it looks absolutely nuts. Even a lot of the black community is turning their backs on him. Know what I mean? You ripping on Floyd, you kinda look like Wilder talking about heavy suits, spiked water, jealous trainers, moon wasn't in line with the sun, etc.

[Roadblock]

floyd was also a defensive wizard by avoiding, cherrypicking and ducking prime fighters.. went on vacation and just came back after the division has no longer a big threats.

Manny avoided and cherry picked more than Floyd ever did , start the thread resume against resume head to head , numbers weights and measure timing of fights CWs and the current form of opponents , we will compare them all go for it lol.

Notice how all common opponents claim Floyd as the best they fought, explain that will you as it says volumes about how good Mayweather was lol.

[blowblow]

Manny avoided and cherry picked more than Floyd ever did , start the thread resume against resume head to head , numbers weights and measure timing of fights CWs and the current form of opponents , we will compare them all go for it lol.

Notice how all common opponents claim Floyd as the best they fought, explain that will you as it says volumes about how good Mayweather was lol.

compare it now.

[War Room]

So if Floyd was past his prime, and Manny was more shopworn and had previously been knocked out, how much credit can you lend to that. If it was a overmarinated, big payday for both guys let it be that, but a fight to determine who is the better fighter no both guys need to be prime for that.

Manny been knocked out three times in his career, which knockout are you talking about? You taling about Marquez? He was beating the hell out of Juan, I was worried for Marquez tbh. Manny was up on the cards. Just so happens Marquez was working on that move in sparring (youtube it, white gloves) so you can thank Nacho for that one. Hardly got shopworn off of a well placed punch.

Anyway, I didn't say Manny was more shopworn. Looks like you're just adding that to take some of Floyd's thunder away because you don't like him.

Look I agree, Manny got more losses and took more damage throughout his career, especially in his prime at 130 and stuff.

Floyd never took that damage, ok. Manny is a tough cookie and that damage from 130, i don't think really resonated with him. But Manny's best came after all of that so do we count that? No, I don't think so.

I mean this in a very endearing way: Manny is too ****** to let it effect him. I think he feeds off of it, plus his head is symmetrically built for it. If you look at Manny's unofficial weights during his run at 130, he was coming in as a welterweight on fight night. His face got tore up a bit, but what's in there for a brain didn't.

Like I said before, Money May was a totally different fighter than he was in his prime. This is not a disputed fact by anyone with a brain in their head. It's historical factual knowledge.

Pretty Boy Floyd would have stomped Manny out under 8 rounds. Bob knew it, Trampler knew it, Vegas knew it. They tried getting Floyd to shrink to 140 during the very first blips of negotiation. I mean, come on guy. This is nuts!

Floyd beats Manny 10 out of 10. Prime vs Prime, Manny is lights out.

[War Room]

compare it now.

Morales and MAB just came off of massive wars with each other. Morales still beat Manny. Morales and MAB were never the same after their wars together, especially after the trilogy. Manny was injected after.

When Manny finally beat Morales it was after Morales looked like a$$ and fat after losing to Rahim. Clearly shot.

MAB for this second loss to Manny came right after he lost to Marquez and was clearly clearly shot to ribbons.

Even Larios, just lost to Vazquez right before Manny via 3rd round tko.

Oscar was shot and had big recent losses, they made him drain to 147.

Hatton had just taken his first loss and by ko to May right before Manny was injected.

Cotto has just been stopped by Margarito for his first loss before Manny made him shrink.

Margarito had just been smoked by Shane 2 fights before and they made him shrink before fighting Manny.

Shane had lost to Floyd two fights before before they injected Manny. Roach is on video saying they didn't want to fight Shane when he wasn't looking shot. YouTube it.

Only fighter that wasn't on a losing streak or had recent losses was Marquez and Manny went life and death with him every fight.

Facts are facts and you got no legs to stand on. You can always say I spiked your water or something lol.

[Mister Wolf]

I'm not saying he would beat everyone but as far as pure boxing ability goes he is the best ever. Boxing is about lot more than just how technically skilled you are though.

[Roadblock]

compare it now.

Mannys 7 losses and Koed a few times , they are so important its ironic you leave them out , you fan boys love flag waving its more a case of who when and how you beat them.

The biggest names on Mannys resume all say Floyd is a better fighter, you cannot get over that, as a matter of fact you have no answer to them saying Floyd is a better fighter, they know more than anyone.