WBN no longer recognize WBA as a sanctioning body

[Marchegiano]

I mean yes, but what is your point?
It is the reason why the re-organised IBF follow their rules to a tee now

That's like saying you trust Don King because he knows everyone knows he's a crook.

[Marchegiano]

The WBC only has two franchise champions. They don't have any diamond champions and only three interim champions.

The latest WBA ratings list 55 WBA world champions in only 17 divisions.

Silver though?

[koolkc107]

Have any of you actually taken a good look at that website?

It only has one named writer on it.

For all intents and purposes, it's just one person.

And that one person is DEFINITELY a Pacquiao fan.

[BennyBlanco]

World Boxing News has made the decision, which turned out not to be a tough one, to remove the World Boxing Association’s recognition as a sanctioning body.

All WBA belts will now be removed from the WBN Champions list and unifications will not be recognized if it involves a WBA belt and only one of the other three major bodies.

source:
https://www.***************.net/2021...classified/amp

And I haven't recognized WBN as a legitimate boxing news site for a long time.

[Marchegiano]

Every sanctioning body has a variety of regional, youth, national, international, intercontinental, silver, etc titles to represent the pecking order you must climb to earn a shot at the championship of the world.

No different than competing for a division championship, then a conference championship, etc as you work your way towards the world championship in the NBA, NFL, etc.

The problem with a franchise championship (WBC) or a super championship (WBA) is that it confuses who the world champion is. The WBC having silver champions or international champions vying to become mandatory for the world champion is very different from the WBA having interim world champions, regular world champions, gold world champions and super world champions in every division.

I hate the franchise title as much as anybody. Just like the WBC experimented with diamond champions and eventually got rid of them, I hope the franchise title is eventually phased out as well.

But the WBA for OVER TWENTY YEARS has had super world champions, world champions and interim world champions, and instead of getting better, it's getting worse now that they've added gold world champions.

Silver is a world title. It's meant to replace the interim that's still here for some reason.

Silver is not a regional, not equal to international. It's above those.

WBA, not to be passed up, has their Gold. They're clearly worse for making up belts, but, let's not give the WBC a pass on the silver just because the WBA has the Gold, Reg, Super, and Interim. They're all useless belts.

[techliam]

That's like saying you trust Don King because he knows everyone knows he's a crook.

It’s not though as the IBF is not run by the same people

Whereas Don King is still Don King

[Spray_resistant]

The belts have not mattered for a long time, we know who the best or highest rated fighters are in divisions and anyone else with a belt has a contender trinket doesn't mean they're the champion in that weight class.

[Marchegiano]

The over use of interim titles by all of the organizations was becoming a major problem in boxing. Essentially being used as a "second place" world title instead of being used in legitimate instances where the world champion is injured or unavailable.

The WBC decided to introduce an actual 2nd place belt, the silver title, to placate promoters who were requesting interim titles for illegitimate reasons. They never said they were getting rid of interim titles, only that they would get stricter about when they were appropriate. The IBF got stricter as well. The WBA went the opposite direction and started crowning interim champions in every division.

The Silver title is higher than the international title in the eyes of the WBC. It literally means you're in second place in the division. But it's not considered a world championship like the WBA super championship or WBC franchise championship. It's clearly stated as lesser than a world title, hence the name silver.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-replace-interim-titles-with-silver-titles--26323

By Ronnie Nathanielsz

World Boxing Council headed by its president Don Jose Sulaiman, in another innovative move, has announced that the premier world boxing body is studying the possibility of replacing the often confusing and sometimes questionable, interim championships, with a WBC world silver championship.

Indications are the move has won universal support and the proposal will be taken up at the next WBC Convention in the picturesque tourist destination of Cancun, Mexico.

Sulaiman said the idea of a WBC Silver championship is "to give value to many fights that cannot be for a WBC world title but are bouts of great importance." He cited the clash between two great Mexicans Israel Vasquez and Rafael Marquez who fought in a memorable trilogy and will face each other for the fourth time on May 22.

The WBC noted that "boxing changes just like life does" and the WBC itself has been an organization of reform in which its greatest success has been in the large number of rules and actions aimed at protecting the health and life of boxers. In this connection some pilot fights would be approved for presentation to the WBC Convention.

The WBC president believes that "it is necessary to also implement new measures for greater opportunities for boxers and promoters" and this is what the WBC World Silver title belt aims to achieve.

While the rules and regulations covering WBC Interim championships are very clear and state that they can only be approved when a champion is inactive for six months or lomger due to legal or medical problems. However, the WBC notes that "the demand for these interim title fights is too large" due to problems facing the champion and the WBC believes this is something that must be eliminated.

But then this

https://wbcboxing.com/en/welterweight/

Alessandro Riguccini Italy SILVER Interim

Marcus Morrison GB INTL Silver


Clearly, dude, it doesn't matter what they say it is. I'm sure you were told it's not a world title, but it is. I showed you why I thought it was an interim replacement, but that's not really what it is either given the Silver Interim champion.

They're in different weights so it doesn't change any pecking order per se, but, Joyce is a World Silver, Riguccini is a World Silver Interim, and Morrison is an International Silver.

WTF is Silver and why shouldn't the WBC be absolutely torn a new ass for this?

The WBC-F is way less bull****. At least it's clearly above all other WBC titles. I have no issue with the OG WBC either. I don't honestly get bugged by interim champions. This Silver **** though. TF does it even mean? The only reason no one cries over this one and everyone cries over the F is because the F supersedes the WBC and the Silver is definitely not over the WBC let alone the F, but Silver to Interim? Equals? One has to get the WBC shot before the other right? Just go by date?

I assume Silver is the lowest in the pecking order but have no real way to know.


To be fair to the WBA

WBA Super
WBA Regular
WBA Interim
WBA Gold
WBA Recess

WBC Franchise
WBC
WBC Interim
WBC Silver
WBC Recess

Seems equally bull****ty to me, and, I'm not even listing that WBC Silver-Interim bull because I don't have a ****ing clue what to make of that. I left Diamond off because I think it's incorporated into the F now?

Plus **** like the ***, Mayan, Onyx, etc. It's a lot. I respect the WBC more than any other body, but, they deserve the **** slinging they get for the belts.

[Marchegiano]

No, it's not. Read the WBC bylaws. The interim World championship is considered a world title, but the silver world title isn't. It means you're 2nd in the world, not champion of the world. Just like a silver medal in the olympics. That's how you can have a silver international champion. 2nd place on the international circuit. It's not comparable to the WBA super/world/interim/gold conundrum.

Show me

How do you get second place in the word but it's not a world title though?


3.24 Silver Championship. In its discretion, on such terms and conditions as it may impose, the WBC may award WBC Silver Championships of the World in each weight division. The WBC Silver Championship is a title superior to all WBC championships except the World or Diamond Championships. The WBC may designate the challengers for a Silver Championship from among any Qualified Challengers. A Silver Champion must comply with all defense and other obligations applicable to WBC World Champions hereunder as the WBC shall order in its discretion. A Silver Champion shall not be a mandatory challenger for the WBC World Championship absent winning a final elimination bout for the World title, unless a majority vote of the WBC Board of Governors, in its sole discretion, authorizes such appointment.


Not only is it a world title, it's above interim

[OnlytheTruth]

No different than competing for a division championship, then a conference championship, etc as you work your way towards the world championship in the NBA, NFL, etc.

World Championship!? Only American and Canadian teams compete FFS. Nothing 'Worldly' about it.