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  • Tatabanya
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    #51
    Originally posted by NearHypnos
    You have to remember the landscape of then. He didn’t get gifts vs Chavez for example and that was considered his step up of sorts. I remember living in Sinaloa at the time and the magnitude of the first Chavez fight was insane and the second was big also because of the first ending.
    Well, he won because of Chavez getting a horrible cut, but Julio was fighting back until that point, it was not a dominant win by Oscar.

    Anyhow, what diminished De La Hoya's accomplishments in my view at that time was the reek of establishment that accompanied his figure. He did win some important fights, but the hype he could enjoy in the 90s was unprecedented. Sometimes he threw quick flurries that hit the air, or the opponent's gloves at best, but that was enough for judges to give him rounds (also because they were influenced by the hordes of screaming chicks underlining each and every move by Oscar).

    So, he was a champion in terms of titles won, for sure, and fought most everybody they put in front of him. But he was also a product of mega-hype by the boxing establishment, and received opportunities that many fighters of superior level never had. That he has become a promoter at this level, that he fired Nigel Collins after purchasing The Ring Magazine, are both proofs of who he is and where he comes from. Tim Kawakami's book "Golden Boy: The Fame, Money, and Mystery of Oscar de La Hoya" gives a good perspective of the guy's real essence. If you never read it, I encourage you to do so. Basically, the book reveals how fake this man has always been.
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    • Get em up
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      #52
      Originally posted by KTFOKING
      What's there not to like about this fight? Legit two big punchers who have flaws and will go for it.

      This talk about Garcia being cashed out or risk being destroyed is hilarious to me. If Garcia beats Tank, his star level will be insane. And he can bounce right back from a loss, if he is to take one.
      I agree IF Garcia beats tank he blows up beyond his wildest dreams and IF Tank pulls off the win his stardom would be incredible and Garcia will still be on top of the world after a couple comeback fights. This is the 1 I wanna see but I'm thinking Haney will be next for Garcia.

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        #53
        Originally posted by Get em up
        I agree IF Garcia beats tank he blows up beyond his wildest dreams and IF Tank pulls off the win his stardom would be incredible and Garcia will still be on top of the world after a couple comeback fights. This is the 1 I wanna see but I'm thinking Haney will be next for Garcia.
        If you are Team Garcia, why go after Haney before Tank? Haney has a tricky style and while Ryan has faced him plenty of times in the amateurs, there is a chance he looks foolish and loses a decision. Now, losing a decision isn't as bad as getting KTFO, but Tank has a MUCH bigger fanbase and name than Haney. So you are going to make more money there and fight a guy you will have an easier time to hit.

        I think they gun for Tank next...As they should.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Eff Pandas
          So you think this could be the first joint PPV between Fox/Showtime & DAZN?

          That could be how you make this fight but I see that something as way above Ryan's & Tank's pay grade to have confidence in.
          This fight is definitely PPV level. It's going to do good numbers and I think you can pull off a joint PPV here with DAZN and SHO.

          I would not be surprised in the least if this fight does over 500-600k buys.

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          • _Maxi
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            #55
            Mm this guy Ray Danseco, no 10-8?
            Undefeated Ryan Garcia (21-0, 18 KOs) has claimed the interim-WBC lightweight title after knocking out Luke Campbell in the seventh round at the American Airlines Arena in Dallas, Texas.


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              #56
              Originally posted by KTFOKING
              If you are Team Garcia, why go after Haney before Tank? Haney has a tricky style and while Ryan has faced him plenty of times in the amateurs, there is a chance he looks foolish and loses a decision. Now, losing a decision isn't as bad as getting KTFO, but Tank has a MUCH bigger fanbase and name than Haney. So you are going to make more money there and fight a guy you will have an easier time to hit.

              I think they gun for Tank next...As they should.

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              • NearHypnos
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                #57
                Originally posted by Tatabanya
                Well, he won because of Chavez getting a horrible cut, but Julio was fighting back until that point, it was not a dominant win by Oscar.

                Anyhow, what diminished De La Hoya's accomplishments in my view at that time was the reek of establishment that accompanied his figure. He did win some important fights, but the hype he could enjoy in the 90s was unprecedented. Sometimes he threw quick flurries that hit the air, or the opponent's gloves at best, but that was enough for judges to give him rounds (also because they were influenced by the hordes of screaming chicks underlining each and every move by Oscar).

                So, he was a champion in terms of titles won, for sure, and fought most everybody they put in front of him. But he was also a product of mega-hype by the boxing establishment, and received opportunities that many fighters of superior level never had. That he has become a promoter at this level, that he fired Nigel Collins after purchasing The Ring Magazine, are both proofs of who he is and where he comes from. Tim Kawakami's book "Golden Boy: The Fame, Money, and Mystery of Oscar de La Hoya" gives a good perspective of the guy's real essence. If you never read it, I encourage you to do so. Basically, the book reveals how fake this man has always been.
                Oscar has always known how ti play the game, whether it’s judges or the business side of things.

                It’s unfortunate but there’s a lot of sharks in the fight game and sometimes at that high level - for lack of a more refined term - you either do the f ucking or get f ucked as they say. I should really look into that book and try to gain some insight.

                I’ll try to set some time aside for it. Thank you for actually making me aware of it.

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                • F l i c k e r
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                  #58
                  It's the best time for Davis to do it.

                  If he's going to ever fight Garcia, it should be now, while Garcia is inexperienced.

                  He got cracked and didn't handle it too well. Hopped up too soon, unlike veteran like Marquez who would have taken the long standing 8.

                  Davis could capitalize on Garcia right now but once Garcia is experienced and knows how to handle pressure and getting cracked? Davis don't got much to offer for his case in beating Garcia at that point.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by KTFOKING
                    If you are Team Garcia, why go after Haney before Tank? Haney has a tricky style and while Ryan has faced him plenty of times in the amateurs, there is a chance he looks foolish and loses a decision. Now, losing a decision isn't as bad as getting KTFO, but Tank has a MUCH bigger fanbase and name than Haney. So you are going to make more money there and fight a guy you will have an easier time to hit.

                    I think they gun for Tank next...As they should.



                    I agree they should and I hope it happens but I'm hesitant in believing it will considering how the boxing business works

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                      #60
                      I like it. No marination required unlike some other fighters.

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