Is Ryan on that Canelo good-good stuff

[slicksouthpaw16]

OK so name one of the countless others you said you had in mind?

Jose Luis Castillio was knocked out less than two years before he beat Johnston for the title. One of my favorite fighters when he was active, Chad Dawson was dropped by Eric Harding before he dominated Adamek for the light heavy title and I remember him being the underdog going in. Look at Mayorga before he fought 6 Heads Lewis etc. List goes on and on. Now watch you "refute" these too with some ridiculous reasons lol

[Boxing-1013]

Jose Luis Castillio was knocked out less than two years before he beat Johnston for the title. One of my favorite fighters when he was active, Chad Dawson was dropped by Eric Harding before he dominated Adamek for the light heavy title and I remember him being the underdog going in. Look at Mayorga before he fought 6 Heads Lewis etc. List goes on and on. Now watch you "refute" these too with some ridiculous reasons lol

If you made good points, I wouldn't have to 'refute' them. I would give credit and move on.

JLC was 27 years old and had been fighting for 10 years as a pro though.

Dawson is a better try, but he was 24 and had been fighting for 6 years as a pro. Also Harding only ever lost to Glen Johnson, Tarver, and RJJ. Harding also beat Tarver, and Montell Griffin, I believe.

Comparing him to Morales is absurd really.

[slicksouthpaw16]

If you made good points, I wouldn't have to 'refute' them. I would give credit and move on.

JLC was 27 years old and had been fighting for 10 years as a pro though.

Dawson is a better try, but he was 24 and had been fighting for 6 years as a pro. Also Harding only ever lost to Glen Johnson, Tarver, and RJJ. Harding also beat Tarver, and Montell Griffin, I believe.

Comparing him to Morales is absurd really.

I knew you would do this very thing, which is why I should've stopped responding a while ago. This is a prime example of someone brutally losing an argument, but grasping at any straw they can. All were young contenders that had struggle fights on the way up, then dominated legit champions. I'm officially done here. There is zero consistency to your arguments and they make no sense. You completely ignore Mayorga, claim 'Dawson and Castillio had more experience than Garcia", but give Doug Jones complete credit for beating a 9-0 Foster that was 6 years and 20+ fights removed (Ironically the time Dawson was pro before facing Harding) from his career prime. You've also completely ignored the Foster being out of his prime point, which totally negates your Doug Jones "great win" argument.

Its also hilarious when you say "I believe Harding only lost to Jones, Johnson etc" like you didn't just spend a whole hour on boxrec thinking of ways to counter my argument (and failing miserably to do so).

[-Kev-]

Come on dude



He was in a world class environment before that too man, get real

Have you ever boxed, like at least sparring in a gym for a period of years?

I started boxing at 12, in basements and building lobbies. I was very crude and didn’t know much even though I copied what I saw on tv. I went to a boxing gym very late, too late, because I could not afford a gym membership. I grew up in poverty and had no support. Anyway the coach told me I am naturally good but that I started coming to the gym too late and if I am going to do this then it has to be a 24/7 thing. He said I can’t do anything else in my life other than boxing, if I wanna make it.

Anyway to cut to the chase, I learned a lot being in the gym with those gym ****. None of them world champions or pros or anything like that. But they worked hard and that hard work rubs off on you. I definitely learned a lot from them but ultimately I had to go work and go to school and I was not about to do boxing 24/7. If you put a young boxer in a gym with pros, some of the best pro boxers in the world, with professional trainers, good cutmen, good chefs, a promoter who was once the biggest draw in boxing you’re going to have an amazing level of learning, and very fast.

But again, you’d have to first have been in that environment in order to understand how these changes happen. It’s really not all about steroids.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Have you ever boxed, like at least sparring in a gym for a period of years?

I started boxing at 12, in basements and building lobbies. I was very crude and didn’t know much even though I copied what I saw on tv. I went to a boxing gym very late, too late, because I could not afford a gym membership. I grew up in poverty and had no support. Anyway the coach told me I am naturally good but that I started coming to the gym too late and if I am going to do this then it has to be a 24/7 thing. He said I can’t do anything else in my life other than boxing, if I wanna make it.

Anyway to cut to the chase, I learned a lot being in the gym with those gym ****. None of them world champions or pros or anything like that. But they worked hard and that hard work rubs off on you. I definitely learned a lot from them but ultimately I had to go work and go to school and I was not about to do boxing 24/7. If you put a young boxer in a gym with pros, some of the best pro boxers in the world, with professional trainers, good cutmen, good chefs, a promoter who was once the biggest draw in boxing you’re going to have an amazing level of learning, and very fast.

But again, you’d have to first have been in that environment in order to understand how these changes happen. It’s really not all about steroids.

Even if the OP didn’t want to acknowledge what you’re saying, the aim is to discredit Canelo and Ryan so it doesn’t matter you say

[Thuglife Nelo]

I knew you would do this very thing, which is why I should've stopped responding a while ago. This is a prime example of someone brutally losing an argument, but grasping at any straw they can. All were young contenders that had struggle fights on the way up, then dominated legit champions. I'm officially done here. There is zero consistency to your arguments and they make no sense. You completely ignore Mayorga, claim 'Dawson and Castillio had more experience than Garcia", but give Doug Jones complete credit for beating a 9-0 Foster that was 6 years and 20+ fights removed (Ironically the time Dawson was pro before facing Harding) from his career prime. You've also completely ignored the Foster being out of his prime point, which totally negates your Doug Jones "great win" argument.

Its also hilarious when you say "I believe Harding only lost to Jones, Johnson etc" like you didn't just spend a whole hour on boxrec thinking of ways to counter my argument (and failing miserably to do so).

These threads are made to discredit any association to Team Canelo, not about the reality of Ryan’s performance

[Zaroku]

Come on man cut the BS.

I think most guys are on something. I'm honestly just wondering if some guys are on some other-worldly type stuff. Both Canelo and Ryan have raised their game LEVELS in a short time span, let's not kid ourselves.

I actually really like Canelo. Boxing needs stars. But he went from trying to survive 12 rounds vs GGG, to holding the ring vs him for 12 rounds, to walking down Jacobs, Kovalev and Callum Smith.

If you aren’t skilled to begin with that special sauce won’t help much and it won’t give you a better better chin.

[Zaroku]

If Oscar Valdez starts brutally KOing everyone we'll know the answer....

He’ll be like PAC...

[-Kev-]

Even if the OP didn’t want to acknowledge what you’re saying, the aim is to discredit Canelo and Ryan so it doesn’t matter you say

It’s very easy to learn a lot in a boxing gym. It’s like a hands-on apprenticeship of boxing. You will automatically become better. The work these guys put in is ridiculous, and stuff rubs off on you. When I went in and saw what they did, it was intimidating to me. I was a guy who only put on gloves and swung on dudes as best I could, as properly that I could. I didn’t do none of that fancy training boxing gym **** did. I learned a lot in there. Going to train in a gym full of pros is probably like a gold mine.

[keepemup]

Hard work and dedication.

Theres no such thing as peds. Drugs make healthy people sick.