Is Ryan on that Canelo good-good stuff

[slicksouthpaw16]

OK then name one guy who struggled with, and got a gift decision vs, a journeyman, and then just 2 years later he is walking down and stopping a top 5-10 fighter at the weight class above that.

If you watch the Morales fight, then this past one, or even any of them since that fight, it is pretty clear the kid looks like he is on something. You can see it in just about every way really.

Again I don't really care, but I don't like to deny the obvious either.

Sure. Revisit Cassius Clay (his name at the time) vs Doug Jones. Many people that watched the fight, even huge Ali fans like myself will tell you that that fight/decision was controversial. Now mind you, that was only a YEAR before dominating Liston, an all time respected heavyweight champion and one of the hardest hitters of all time. This example is on an even bigger scale than Garcia/Campbell because Luke was never champion, nor beaten an elite fighter. Fighters improve especially being as young/talented as Garcia.

[Boxing-1013]

Sure. Revisit Cassius Clay (his name at the time) vs Doug Jones. Many people that watched the fight, even huge Ali fans like myself will tell you that that fight/decision was controversial. Now mind you, that was only a YEAR before dominating Liston, an all time respected heavyweight champion and one of the hardest hitters of all time. This example is on an even bigger scale than Garcia/Campbell because Luke was never champion, nor beaten an elite fighter. Fighters improve especially being as young/talented as Garcia.

So you're saying Ryan is the next Ali?

[slicksouthpaw16]

So you're saying Ryan is the next Ali?

No lol I'm saying history shows that it isn't "supernatural" for a young, talented fighter to improve his skills without being accused of being on the juice. I only brought up one example, there's tons of instances to where the same thing happened. Is he supposed to fight the same way and not learn anything in 2 years? They post classic fights, articles etc for a reason. Nothing wrong with self education

[Boxing-1013]

No lol I'm saying history shows that it isn't "supernatural" for a young, talented fighter to improve his skills without being accused of being on the juice. I only brought up one example, there's tons of instances to where the same thing happened. Is he supposed to fight the same way and not learn anything in 2 years? They post classic fights, articles etc for a reason. Nothing wrong with self education

Well I'll educate you some then - Doug Jones KOed Bob Foster, who is one of the best LHWs ever, just a year before his fight with Ali.

Does Morales have a similar win like that just prior to his fight with Garcia? The more you know....

[Boxing-1013]

No lol I'm saying history shows that it isn't "supernatural" for a young, talented fighter to improve his skills without being accused of being on the juice. I only brought up one example, there's tons of instances to where the same thing happened. Is he supposed to fight the same way and not learn anything in 2 years? They post classic fights, articles etc for a reason. Nothing wrong with self education

If there are tons of examples, rattle them off. We are all waiting. Should be easy to do, and you shouldn't have to look any up. Since you said there are countless examples. Surely you have them handy?

[El_Maldito_Rey]

PEDs don't increase punching power. Unless you have proof, people shouldn't be smearing fighters.

[Boxing-1013]

PEDs don't increase punching power. Unless you have proof, people shouldn't be smearing fighters.

His association with a team who has failed tests is reason enough to be su****ious. If one is intellectually honest, that is.

On a smaller scale it's like a guy signing with Victor Conte and people saying 'hey why are you su****ious of this guy using PEDs? lol

[El_Maldito_Rey]

His association with a team who has failed tests is reason enough to be su****ious. If one is intellectually honest, that is.

On a smaller scale it's like a guy signing with Victor Conte and people saying 'hey why are you su****ious of this guy using PEDs? lol

Curious, can you post proof of Clenbuterol increasing one's punching power?

[slicksouthpaw16]

If there are tons of examples, rattle them off. We are all waiting. Should be easy to do, and you shouldn't have to look any up. Since you said there are countless examples. Surely you have them handy?

I could but after your first excuse/response, I feel like I would be wasting my time. You told me to name one, I did immediately, then you accuse me of comparing Garcia to Ali. You need to start opening your mind and start having "discussions" rather than wanting to argue. Even when someone proves your ridiculous agenda wrong, as I did lol

[slicksouthpaw16]

Well I'll educate you some then - Doug Jones KOed Bob Foster, who is one of the best LHWs ever, just a year before his fight with Ali.

Does Morales have a similar win like that just prior to his fight with Garcia? The more you know....

Doug Jones was a solid fighter but also a journeyman, one win vs Foster (who didn't even have 10 fights at the time and before he became champion) doesn't prove much. In fact, Fostor didn't even get the light heavyweight title till about 6 years and 20 plus fights later, and also lost once or twice after the Jones fight (till before he became champion), which means he clearly wasn't near his prime. Looks like I'm doing all the educating