Al Haymon Offered Canelo a Three Fight Deal for $75 Million

[Clegg]

Canelo fans told me Plant ducked Canelo, now I read this? Were Canelo fans just lying? Surely not

[saopaulo]

here we go again fans in a circle jerk worrying about how much money fighters get

[MDPopescu]

I still wonder who's going to pay for the Yildirim fight

I think that's why he puts it in Mexico and makes it a big event there and then DAZN carries the rights stateside for it.

Canelo will negotiate on a fight by fight basis.
He would never take that deal no matter who the opponents are. If he fights on PBC it will be for a majority of a PPV upside.
When you the cash cow and not tied to a promoter you call your own shots.

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[FinitoxDinamita]

here we go again fans in a circle jerk worrying about how much money fighters get

I jumped into this thread to mention this exactly. Casuals, young kids, and cawk suckers love to talk about other man’s pockets.

[FinitoxDinamita]

If you are not making a %, who gives a sht about whose making what? That’s that classic cuck sht lol gay ass millennial sht with no real knowledge about Boxing.

[Inspired]

lolol....keep living in your delusional made up world

heres how things work in the real world

skipper says "ive got 100 mil for you...including an AJ fight"....now wilder still wouldnt have fought AJ yet so he wouldnt have made 100 mil yet anyways but thats neither here nor there

haymon says "dont take it..ill get you money".....haymon has to come up with similar money to keep wilder happy

as ive pointed out...when DAZN and hearn came for danny jacobs haymon saw the offer was too good to pass up and he couldnt match it and said "go ahead"......haymon convinced wilder not to take it on the promise he would get him similar money

here what happens if haymon convinces wilder to walk away and gets him short money....all of the loyal fighters al has are angry and want to walk away(and he has a bunch of very loyal guys who love him and stick with him)...and no up and comers will want to go near haymon...

idc if you think haymon lost money on paying wilder...he very well might have....reality is if he convinces a big named fighter to walk away from a sweet deal and doesnt come up with similar money not a single fighter will trust haymon...and haymon has a long list of named fighters who are loyal...its simple logic and good business practive....you think wilders money numbers is just wishful thinking on your part

haymon made wilder a very rich man in a weak american boxing market.....AJs name and the prospect of fighting him certainly also helped....

al haymon didnt do crap
anthony joshua and eddie hearn's PRESENCE in the market made wilder the money
it was the big prospect of that AJ fight that allowed showtime/fox to pump money into wilder.
outside of that context he'd be fighting ortiz for $1m not even the $2m originally.
i mean $2m for ortiz when he was offered $5m? you see how this works?
Fury won the sweepstakes.

[Inspired]

He...was the most searched boxer on Google. This is just fact. Youre also dis*****g numbers given from a publication. Sorry but why should I believe you?

You Hearniacs are something else. Its like reality is offensive to you people.

1) tyson fury was more searched in the same time period that story broke out than wilder...and he's still more searched IN AMERICA.
https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...r,tyson%20fury

2)
The reason espn blagged it about wilder was to give the clown some arrogance when negotiating with dazn and hence overprice himself. The fact it's not AJ vs Fury in the works is part of that plan, they knew what they were doing, played wilder the donkey.

3) the reality is that guys like conor mcgregor and floyd mayweather, even khabib, are far far more popular than the current guys inc wilder/fury and aj. however that's because they spend a lot of money advertising/promoting. as a consequence when fox and espn spent $20m on superbowl ads, it resulted in a huge spike in search results and 3x the ppv numbers.
so dont put too much stock in google trends, that can be manipulated easily.
in fact a bot and rotating proxies would get results on google trends too.


the fact you need to resort to 'hearniacs' talk shows you arent bothered about the truth/facts but just 'us vs them' as usual that xenophobic and racist bs.

[KingGilgamesh]

1) tyson fury was more searched in the same time period that story broke out than wilder...and he's still more searched IN AMERICA.
https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...r,tyson%20fury

2)
The reason espn blagged it about wilder was to give the clown some arrogance when negotiating with dazn and hence overprice himself. The fact it's not AJ vs Fury in the works is part of that plan, they knew what they were doing, played wilder the donkey.

3) the reality is that guys like conor mcgregor and floyd mayweather, even khabib, are far far more popular than the current guys inc wilder/fury and aj. however that's because they spend a lot of money advertising/promoting. as a consequence when fox and espn spent $20m on superbowl ads, it resulted in a huge spike in search results and 3x the ppv numbers.
so dont put too much stock in google trends, that can be manipulated easily.
in fact a bot and rotating proxies would get results on google trends too.


the fact you need to resort to 'hearniacs' talk shows you arent bothered about the truth/facts but just 'us vs them' as usual that xenophobic and racist bs.

Everything can be manipulated easily according to you. Whenever you're presented with a fact then it suddenly becomes "manipulated". As I keep saying, as a Brit, I find this intense nationalistic insecurity so bothersome. Before there was a time when all the heavyweight titles resided in Germany. I never heard such a massive deal being made about it...for all we know by this time next year the titles could be in the hands of very different people.

Nothing you have said disputes what has been mentioned. They paid 50m+ for Wilder. Was it in investment which didn't bear fruit in the end? Most likely, but that doesn't suddenly mean that the money didn't change hands. You speak of xenophobia when it actually many of the low life ****tards on this island who bear the sentiment. Last I checked McGregor and Khabib weren't American. They still garner massive numbers because they're incredible athletes. That's what people care about over there. Only insecure Brits seem obsessed with participating in this loser like nationalistic **** measuring. Last I checked America didn't give much of a **** about Wilder for large chunks of his career so what point are you trying to prove exactly?

[Inspired]

Everything can be manipulated easily according to you. Whenever you're presented with a fact then it suddenly becomes "manipulated". As I keep saying, as a Brit, I find this intense nationalistic insecurity so bothersome. Before there was a time when all the heavyweight titles resided in Germany. I never heard such a massive deal being made about it...for all we know by this time next year the titles could be in the hands of very different people.

Nothing you have said disputes what has been mentioned. They paid 50m+ for Wilder. Was it in investment which didn't bear fruit in the end? Most likely, but that doesn't suddenly mean that the money didn't change hands. You speak of xenophobia when it actually many of the low life ****tards on this island who bear the sentiment. Last I checked McGregor and Khabib weren't American. They still garner massive numbers because they're incredible athletes. That's what people care about over there. Only insecure Brits seem obsessed with participating in this loser like nationalistic **** measuring. Last I checked America didn't give much of a **** about Wilder for large chunks of his career so what point are you trying to prove exactly?

ok explain to me why you're so pissed at what im actually saying? there's nothing wrong or ill intended here on my part and im not singling out anyone in my argument.

tell me that isnt based on your xenophobic hate when you start saying 'hearniacs' and all that?

read this properly, pay attention to my overall points.

1) google trend results, which i linked you, showed you fury was more searched at the time.

i dont say this to score points, im just laughing at how wilder fell for it so easily. he was manipulated by espn's propaganda.
chess not checkers right?

so long story short, wilder himself bragged after rejecting the dazn offer that 'im da most searcheded on da google' (yes i am mocking his ******ity).

did espn want AJ vs Wilder? of course not. they wanted fury vs wilder to built towards the winner (fury) vs AJ for far more money.


2)
it isnt just about being a great athlete and doing big things in the US. it's about marketing and manipulation.
espn/ufc will market the **** out of masvidal, before it was tony ferguson. they can create new 'stars' in this manner by pushing them so they dominate social media trends..and then people think 'omg everyone is talking about..' (they arent).
even the comments/posts can be manipulated.

simultaneosly they can manipulate google trends through bots...and as a consequence of the higher ranking (despite not being done the legit way) it only increases the social media/website/video rankings of the person.

you know how seo works right? literally if google's system thinks 'this word/name is being searched a lot' it will in turn push that word/name higher up on all its related platforms esp youtube.
twitter and facebook can also be manipulated in the same manner.
you can of course also spend a lot of money pushing ads to organically grow their ranking.

eitherway the growth here isnt truely organic, it is manipulated by the money and efforts spent by promoters and networks.

don't start thinking 'damn this guy really is popular, ppl search for him' (and i even inc AJ in this whole argument btw).


3) since you were calling me a hearniac, check this out
when aj was breaking out, his tickets were getting scalped instantly when they went on sale..
only BOTS could do that..
that is until venues like the o2 and wembley/cardiff banned that practice (which is why later the povetkin fight only did 80k rather than sell out 90k fast).

the point here is that it makes me certain eddie hearn/matchroom do operate bots with ticket scalping...and in doing so they're certainly aware of bots/rotating proxies..
im aware matchroom use twitter bots too..

so im not exactly a 'hearniac' saying that am i?

the reality is that all the promoters/networks can easily artificially pump up anyone they like through bots. they can also attack someone in the same manner and bring him/her down.
you know why they tread lightly? they dont just want to artificially pump up someone and then pay him more than his true worth.
so on some level they do need an end product from the boxer/fighter.


espn simply pushed a propaganda article to manipulate wilder..and he fell for it. simple. there's no doubt about that since fury was literally ahead of wilder in all departments at the time the article went out.

[champion4ever]

This deal is better than DAZN's deal if one were to ask me because it includes an incentive clause for a percentage of all the PPV and live gate revenue. Where as DAZN deal did not include a percentage. It was just your typical flat-fee, hard-capped guaranteed contract.