Al Haymon Offered Canelo a Three Fight Deal for $75 Million

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Not a bad deal if there is PPV incentive which would bring his earnings to over 40 million (rough uneducated estimate on my part). Plus all are winnable fights for Canelo.

[daggum]

Flat fees are junk for the most part. Pretty much the same reason Wilder turned down his too. I thought this was something everyone learned back in the Pacman Mayweather days.

no the reason wilder turned it down is because hes an idiot and a coward. there is nothing inherently wrong with a flat fee. for example if floyd had given pac a flat fee of like 300 million dollars i dont think there would be a problem, but when a fight is valued at half a billion with 2 popular fighters and you only offer 40 million? thats obviously going to kill the fight. when you look at the numbers for joshua and wilder at the time, 100 million for 3 fights was a massive overpay in order to secure wilders services. they were actually trying to pay wilder way more than he was worth to pry him away from pbc but pbc tricked him with that "loyalty" BS because pbc thought they could turn him into a star and even though his stardom rose he still never came close to 100 million.

[daggum]

"I congratulated him and applauded him for not taking the DAZN deal. That was the smartest move he has made in his entire career," -leonard ellerbe

[Motorcity Cobra]

$25M is just the guarantee. I'm sure there would be a PPV percentage on top of that. Maybe he knows he's not as big a draw as he once was, and he won't make much above that $25M? Especially if his opponents are demanding 8-figures as well.

Bingo! DAZN found that out and wanted to cut his pay.

[Inspired]

LOOOOL I get you now, are you trying to say Wilder was lured into their offer over DAZNs??? No ****ing ****. They presented a superior outlook for him. Two guaranteed fights and a potential for the realisation of massive exposure due to ESPN (really Disney's) vertical. Both the Breazeale and Ortiz fights were shown on network television and, due to the sensational knockouts, garnered Wilder a MASSIVE amount of exposure. There was no manipulation here. They were social media highlight reel knockouts and spurned lots of conversation for the impending Fury rematch. It was actually a great play by both Wilder and moreso Fury, instead of rushing into a rematch build up larger profiles in the US (proven by the fact both of Fury's bumfights happened in Vegas) and then stage a megafight afterwards. DAZN, like most things promoted by that silver spoon chalatan Hearn, is looking more and more like a white elephant and their exorbitant contracts appear to be nothing more than vaporware designed to build hype behind a brand and product with no real USP.

Its so ****ing amusing seeing another nationalistic (and likely Brexit supporting) fruitcake make out as if this, rather than Joshua's obvious corporate hypetrain (his ****ty Pulev fight was featured on BBC news FFS) is an example of media manipulation. You cite Masvidal? Seriously? Masvidal has done great work at building his own profile due to his infectious personality and his absolute annihilation of Askren in the fastest KO in UFC history. Are you seriously trying to pretend this isn't organic? I know being British means the concept of hard work and genuine coming up through you own back is foreign to you but the UFC in no way engineers stars. Guys like McGregor and Khabib earned their stripes by being the fastest two weight champion and most dominant welterweight respectively. Hypejobs in the UFC are found out extremely quickly.

The ****ing irony. Considering Joshua may be the most artificially inflated fighter out here in the UK right now since Bruno. His fans (and their fellow Hearniacs) are ****ing delusional to project onto people like Masvidal and Wilder who've had to earn their exposure the ****ing hard way.

you completely misinterpreted my point to go on the rag like all the other idiots on here.

how the eff can you call me a 'hearniac' when my very point inc putting aj into the same category as the others and arguing that they're all artificially manipulated? bots buying up tickets, bots on twitter/google etc.
it's the same for all of them

also id idnt say 'dazn manipulated wilder' i said 'espn manipulated wilder'
you're so goddamn dumb.

[Inspired]

if you had half a braincell you'd have noticed in my earlier post i was talking about how networks will only want to 'push/artificially pump' someone IF THERE'S AN END PRODUCT eg if the guy is good enough to warrant it because that person will need paying too.

so guys like masvidal and tony ferguson...their growth in popularity was largely artificial manipulation...spending millions on ads/bots etc. that doesnt mean they didnt have a body of work to back that up. it means someone decided 'this guy is worthy, let's manipulate his popularity'


Wilder with the 'highlight reel knockouts' but the bum resume....got greedy. tyson fury was more popular but espn just blagged it and allowed wilder to think he was more than he was, as a consequence he rejected the best offer he'll ever get.
now where is he?

[Inspired]

the british news (bbc, itv, channel 4, sky news etc) always run a little story on the news when there's a big sporting event.
that isnt 'manipulation', that's news.


when im talking about manipulation im specifically talking about ADS, SEO and BOT campaigns done to artificially give a boxer more placement to get noticed.
after that it is up to the public/fans..

when i said 'espn manipulated wilder'
i meant this one literally as in they mentally messed with his head by telling him he's the most popular/most searched, when it was tyson fury who actually was. in doing so, wilder ended up rejecting dazn's offer by demanding more money and insisting he deserves more because 'am da mostestdest searched on googles'
the reality is that tyson was more popular.

these are 2 entirely seperate points.
i referred to 'bot manipulation' in the context of how google/social media works just to point out that those figures are not reliable anyway..


you can artificially manipulate google for a few weeks to bring your website to top 5 in google search rankings (for key terms) but in the end if the end product is dog poo, it will fail.
consequently in boxing if a network/promoter artificially pumps a boxer and he is not good enough, it's a waste of money.

wilder, in the end, got ALL kinds of money/bots/ads etc pumping him up artificially
put him up with cherry picks for the 'highlight reel knockouts'
and then he fell hard..

[KingGilgamesh]

if you had half a braincell you'd have noticed in my earlier post i was talking about how networks will only want to 'push/artificially pump' someone IF THERE'S AN END PRODUCT eg if the guy is good enough to warrant it because that person will need paying too.

so guys like masvidal and tony ferguson...their growth in popularity was largely artificial manipulation...spending millions on ads/bots etc. that doesnt mean they didnt have a body of work to back that up. it means someone decided 'this guy is worthy, let's manipulate his popularity'


Wilder with the 'highlight reel knockouts' but the bum resume....got greedy. tyson fury was more popular but espn just blagged it and allowed wilder to think he was more than he was, as a consequence he rejected the best offer he'll ever get.
now where is he?

You're an idiot. And I'm getting tired of arguing with you. ESPN simply attempted to hype a cross promotional fight. What the **** do you expect them to do? Throw around $50m and then not get their money's worth? There is a marked difference between a network promoting their upcoming PPV and watching a boxer with no real uniquely impressive skillset or accolades being featured on public service broadcasts. The latter is engineered hype, the former is marketing you dumb ****.

[KingGilgamesh]

the british news (bbc, itv, channel 4, sky news etc) always run a little story on the news when there's a big sporting event.
that isnt 'manipulation', that's news.

AJ Pulev is a big event now? As said, you're another English dumbass.

[Larry the boss]

Canelo does not need to sign with anyone