Not sure what to make of the 'wins' this weekend

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Callum Smith was the Ring Magazine champ at 168 lbs.

Szeremeta was just slightly above Steve Rolls-level. Slightly. At least he wasn't wearing an ankle monitor bracelet like Dominic Wade, though.

we all know callum just lost to ryder though so only fanboys would pretend otherwise. you could say he was the champ which is true but then again he only beat groves who was at the end of his career which was plagued by losing to the best fighters he faced. right place at the right time but no real talent there. when you see an easy mark you take him down which is what canelo did. when you see a real threat you fight amir khan and liam smith instead or change divisions. as trumpy says it is what it is

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we all know callum just lost to ryder though so only fanboys would pretend otherwise. you could say he was the champ which is true but then again he only beat groves who was at the end of his career which was plagued by losing to the best fighters he faced. right place at the right time but no real talent there. when you see an easy mark you take him down which is what canelo did. when you see a real threat you fight amir khan and liam smith instead or change divisions. as trumpy says it is what it is

Canelo tried to get Caleb Plant first. When he wouldn't fight he then moved on to Callum Smith.

I don't know what else you wanted Canelo to do.

[Boxing-1013]

Personally (controversial take I know), I thought the jab was just as big a difference maker the second time. Canelo kept getting caught by it coming in, so they landed harder this time around (Canelo got out jabbed 118-59 in the second fight). That's why you never saw GGG's back on the ropes the way you did with Kovalev/Smith and these other guys.

Oh we completely agree on that my friend. That jab was still the factor for GGG in fight 2. Canelo was still getting touched with it all night, and as you said, when GGG lands it, it is an easy punch to score. It generally lands clean and hard.

well 168 is god awful right now. we are in between eras it seems. like when federer started winning grand slams it was because sampras retired, agassi was old and none of the young guys his age panned out, then when nadal and djokovic came up his win percentage fell off a cliff. if a guy like callum smith and john ryder are considered the best we are between eras waiting for real comp.

I actually think 168 is pretty strong right now. Especially with some of the guys from 160 venturing up to 168 now.

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Callum Smith was the Ring Magazine champ at 168 lbs.

Szeremeta was just slightly above Steve Rolls-level. Slightly. At least he wasn't wearing an ankle monitor bracelet like Dominic Wade, though.

Haha. Yeah that Wade fight was funny. He actually seemed like a decent prospect, but then when he shows up with a beer belly to fight GGG, you're like, wtf lol. Then he didn't fight for 3 years after that. I wouldn't deem him, or Rolls, a scrub, but I've never really rated those wins for GGG.

Your comment on Smith is kind of my point though - I can't buy him as the number 1 guy at 168 - not after what Ryder did to him, and then last night, I mean yes Canelo looked really good - but Smith looked like he had nothing.

I honestly threw the GGG fight comment in as an afterthought - I thought GGG was a bit shot coming in, but he looked really good last night. So not sure what to make of the win. Not sure where Kamil really is. Could be top 10, maybe only top 30, who knows.

Odds are Kamil is like 10-15 at MW, and Callum is still top 10 somewhere. Wasn't comparing the opponent level really at all - just was comparing the fact that I don't know what to make of the 'impressive' performances for each guy.

Szeremeta is a Euro level contender with a little more international level competition lately, didn't matter much due to not having much power to get any respect from GGG.

Smith is a Euro level champion with less international level completion, who's biggest win is over a similar Euro level Brit champ Groves.

It was a weekend of target practice.

Yes even if Kamil is around top 10, which I personally think he is (yes Hugo Centeno, wherever you are, I'm ranking him ahead of you), I think that style was a good matchup for GGG - not sure what to make of the performance from GGG.

And Smith, I mean idk what to make of the guy. I was a believer after the Groves fight. But after Ryder I was like, man this guy sucks. Now, I just don't know what to make of him, or what is going on with him.

The guy who faced Groves and won the WBSS was surely better, no?

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Canelo tried to get Caleb Plant first. When he wouldn't fight he then moved on to Callum Smith.

I don't know what else you wanted Canelo to do.

Would you admit that facing him after he legit lost to Ryder, like 9-3 or 8-4, is a little meh? I mean what are we really supposed to think of that.

Canelo beat him a little bit better than John Ryder. I like Canelo. He is improving every fight out. But it is still a little hard to figure exactly what that win was, and what Smith is.

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Why is Szeremeta top 10?

Just saw he is ranked #6 by The Ring as well. The Ring has the first 5 guys pretty accurate.

The last 6 seem to be in the same grouping/level too.

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Would you admit that facing him after he legit lost to Ryder, like 9-3 or 8-4, is a little meh? I mean what are we really supposed to think of that.

Canelo beat him a little bit better than John Ryder. I like Canelo. He is improving every fight out. But it is still a little hard to figure exactly what that win was, and what Smith is.

The Ryder fight was close with SOME people feeling Ryder might have edged it and others thinking the opposite. It was not 9-3 or 8-4.

Would you admit that Canelo tried to face several top 168 lbers this year and Callum Smith was simply the one who accepted the offer?

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The Ryder fight was close with SOME people feeling Ryder might have edged it and others thinking the opposite. It was not 9-3 or 8-4.

Would you admit that Canelo tried to face several top 168 lbers this year and Callum Smith was simply the one who accepted the offer?

Did you really watch the Ryder fight? Be honest. It was not close at all dude. Cut that out.

I agree that some people rumored to fight Canelo have not appeared super eager to fight him, but it seems that includes fighting him on Canelo's terms. And we know how that can go.

So it is hard to say exactly where the blame lies for some of those fights falling through.

Did guys simply turn down $10 million and say they wanted $12 million? That's on them. Did they want a full camp, and fair terms? That's on Canelo.

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No comparison. Canelo fought a top guy in the division and GGG fought another goat herder.

If your not sure and comparing that bum ggg faced to Callum Smith then you have a lot to learn about boxing

- -Why U beat Uself up in public all the time?

Why is Szeremeta top 10?

On a purely physical level one guy is in his prime and the other is years past it. Both guys were levels above their opponents but Smith is a level or two above the Polish fighter. I like Golovkin but I hope he retires.

Callum Smith was the Ring Magazine champ at 168 lbs.

Szeremeta was just slightly above Steve Rolls-level. Slightly. At least he wasn't wearing an ankle monitor bracelet like Dominic Wade, though.

I've gotta say, it is funny to see some tout Smith as being number 1 at 168, based on his Ring ranking of number 1 - and trash Kamil when he is ranked number 6 by the ring lol.

That's NSB for you....

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I wanna resurrect the Canelo vs Fielding threads where Canelo was criticised for not fighting Callum Smith as Callum Smith is the real champion and Canelo would never fight Smith.