Why did Haymon turned Luis Ortiz into a showcase fighter?

[maguirre]

Imagine Martin fights Ortiz and knocks him out. What would Wilder`s record look like?

Ortiz is smoke and mirrors, they needed him as some hyped monster to make Wilder`s record look better.

Ortiz will never go anywhere near Breazeale, Martin, Ruiz, because all these guys can knock him out.

Makes sense, in a way. But there's danger in it.

It was cherry pick gone wrong for Kownacki in his last fight with Helenius. It was a hard lesson for Haymon to take. That's why he made sure it will never happen again. That's what Ortiz got in his last fight. A surefire win with an utter trash.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Ortiz has the best resume of anyone you mentioned by far and fought for a title twice.

I’m not sure what the complaint is.

That he hasn’t fought Gerald Washington?

So the boogeyman narrative is still insisted by this poster, like fans are ******.
If you're saying those guys listed are all cowards, okaay...
PBC heavyweights are all scared to fight Ortiz, 'cept Wilder.
Oookay doe.

[REDEEMER]

His manager Jimminez seems like a snake , I think that’s the guy pulling the strings and going along with Haymon . No other reason ,he has literally possibly the worst resume ever for a two time title challenger.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Makes sense, in a way. But there's danger in it.

It was cherry pick gone wrong for Kownacki in his last fight with Helenius. It was a hard lesson for Haymon to take. That's why he made sure it will never happen again. That's what Ortiz got in his last fight. A surefire win with an utter trash.

Yeah, it is not very likely for PBC guys to take any dangerous fights, if it is not for the world title.

[Curt Henning]

it had nothing to with them being afraid of ortiz losing and making wilder bad....it really didnt.....whatever ortiz's resume was he was still ranked no lower than 5-6 both times wilder fought him by all of the credible ratings in the HW division.....now some of that could be based on eye test...kind of like buds resume and eye test gets him a top p4p rating.....but ortiz was at 5 and i think 5 or 6 the 2nd time wilder fought him...espn/ring/etc all thought ortiz was around a top 5 hw at the time....

its more to do with them having viable opponents for wilder in the event that he couldnt get fury or AJ....he had a heck of a time getting AJ....and the fury fight was easy the first time but then had to wait for the 2nd one for some time....with fury being so unpredictable that 2nd fury fight wasnt really a guarantee......if all of haymons HWs are beating each other up than it doesnt make any of them really that viable...maybe the one guy that emerges but thats about it...haymon needed viable names in the event he needed viable opponents.....you could see they were trying to build kownacki as another guy till helenius threw a wrench in that

[rickJen]

Maybe these PBC heavyweights, which included Ortiz, wanted no less than $1 million for the fight. Who knows? This is PBC mystery house we are dealing with. Not a single reporter can have access to it. You can't even count on Coppinger when it comes to things that would make PBC look bad.

Just imagine if Ortiz is with TR, GBP, DAZN, etc. Any little news about him will all be splashed over the internet and social media.

We can only speculate doe. There are no media people that will do the digging for us.
The other theory is, maybe Ortiz team is waiting for another huge offer from DAZN.
Like the $7 million offer they arrogantly turned down, and probably regretting now.

Too bad for them DAZN finally came to its senses and its spending binge is over.

[joseph5620]

Look at the opposition he fought when he was not fighting Wilder.
It's even nauseating when fellow PBC fighters like Breazeale, Martin,
Kownacki, Ruiz, Arreola, Washingon are available for him.

Haymon can't force those fighters to fight him. There has to be a mutual agreement. A lot of people fail to understand that.

[Curt Henning]

We can only speculate doe. There are no media people that will do the digging for us.
The other theory is, maybe Ortiz team is waiting for another huge offer from DAZN.
Like the $7 million offer they arrogantly turned down, and probably regretting now.

Too bad for them DAZN finally came to its senses and its spending binge is over.

your ******ed arse still doesnt understand that he turned that fight down for the same money to fight wilder....lol...and then al sent another HW over for the same money....so he got two of his HWs paiddddddddd very well

why on earth would ortiz regret turning down teh AJ fight when he made the same money to fight wilder? what kind of ****** logic is that? i dont even know why im asking that question because i know what you are and its right on par

[rickJen]

your ******ed arse still doesnt understand that he turned that fight down for the same money to fight wilder....lol...and then al sent another HW over for the same money....so he got two of his HWs paiddddddddd very well

why on earth would ortiz regret turning down teh AJ fight when he made the same money to fight wilder? what kind of ****** logic is that? i dont even know why im asking that question because i know what you are and its right on par

You really believe Ortiz made $7 million in the Wilder 2 fight.
Where did the money come from?
That fight was about the size of a Garcia vs Porter fight.
And those guys made $1 million each.

You're an idiot.

[Curt Henning]

You really believe Ortiz made $7 million in the Wilder 2 fight.
Where did the money come from?
That fight was about the size of a Garcia vs Porter fight.
And those guys made $1 million each.

You're an idiot.

im the idiot? lolol

yes i do believe it...it was reported and thats the only way al could convince him to not take the AJ money...its just common sense

"oh theres 7 mil on the table for you to fight AJ but we need you to fight wilder...so well have to match that"...do you think ortiz would literally go take less money? thats ****** logic...but right up your alley you dumb sht

fgts like you make your own sht up and live in your own world