Will people ever STOP OVERRATING old primitive era boxers with little skill?

[The D3vil]

You're still the ***king man for having Arthur Lee as your avatar! I'm an acquaintance of some dude who use to be friends with him back in the 80s (or was it the 90s?). He recalls driving Lee to meet up with some dude who owed him money/crack, and beat the **** out of him.

He said he tried crack for the first time with Arthur Lee

No shxt?

[billeau2]

It depends on the actual era but the reality is that more boxing knowledge has been lost than has been gained globally over boxing's lifecycle.

Fighters today on average are less skilled, less tough, and are asked to do less over their careers. They fight less skilled opposition than other generations as well.

Most "champs" today wouldn't be more than club fighters back when you had to fight every month or so and you had to fight lions to really earn a title and take all comers.

We've advanced in nutrition and kinesiology but that only part of the puzzle. Boxing is hundreds of years old and the golden eras have past, will another arise only time will tell. Outside of Fury, who I genuinely believe is the epitome of combat and who is an outlier in greatness and ceiling, and whom I think can be champion in any era, the rest of today's best fighters would take losses to greats from the past. You have to go back a really long time to find humans just swinging like Neanderthals. The sweet science has been a sport will depth and strategy for over a century.

My East Bay Brother! Yes... and it is not a foregone conclusion that a sport evolves over time... A lot depends on economics. Football is a perfect example. It became big money and eventually real money was invested... But, are lacrosse players better today? Boxing had more resources back in the day and more elite fighters.

The other thing is how styles have changed... You cannot compare preclassical boxing, which was essentially based in fencing, to modern fighting techniques.

[billeau2]

Fighters came n lighter in the old days as a preference. That implies they could have come in heavier. To this day there is not enough of a trend to suggest at the elite level that size overcomes all in heavyweight prizefighting.

Fighters prior to Dempsey fought off the back foot, they did not need to try and generate power because gloves were sufficient to transfer force through proper body dynamics. A lot of the skills in those days involved grappling, hitting in a manner where the hand was not broken, etc. As gloves got bigger more power to swing the body was needed to hit hard. Dempsey's Tome was about how one goes about generating power.

Even as early as the eighteen hundreds trainers were concerned about Ammy approaches to the sport and how it hindered proper hitting. If you look at professional prize fighters today they are essentially amatuer fghters coming into the sport late twenties as professionals... there is no way they can develop like the professional fighters did. The proof is in the pudding... Tyson Fury is champ and was trained as a throwback fighter.

[nghtmr111]

No shxt?

I'll message you and give you the accurate story next time I speak with this guy hahaha.

[The D3vil]

I'll message you and give you the accurate story next time I speak with this guy hahaha.

Thanks brotha,

[Good ol' Douglas]

Yet apparently 213lb skill lacking Wilder is supposedly the 2nd best heavyweight of this highly advanced modern era

Wilder has been regularly coming in above 220 lbs since 2012. 230+ lbs in his past two fights.

Man is 6'7 with an 83" reach and explosive KO power. Name a single fighter prior to the modern era with all these attributes? Oh wait, you cannot.

Also, Usyk is the second best of this era and the greatest technician the HW division has ever seen.

I pity deluded nostalgists like you because all your arguments are either fallacious or emotionally-derived.

[Good ol' Douglas]

Fighters came n lighter in the old days as a preference. That implies they could have come in heavier. To this day there is not enough of a trend to suggest at the elite level that size overcomes all in heavyweight prizefighting.

Fighters prior to Dempsey fought off the back foot, they did not need to try and generate power because gloves were sufficient to transfer force through proper body dynamics. A lot of the skills in those days involved grappling, hitting in a manner where the hand was not broken, etc. As gloves got bigger more power to swing the body was needed to hit hard. Dempsey's Tome was about how one goes about generating power.

Even as early as the eighteen hundreds trainers were concerned about Ammy approaches to the sport and how it hindered proper hitting. If you look at professional prize fighters today they are essentially amatuer fghters coming into the sport late twenties as professionals... there is no way they can develop like the professional fighters did. The proof is in the pudding... Tyson Fury is champ and was trained as a throwback fighter.

http://www.heavyweightblog.com/3510/height-and-weight-are-irrelevant-at-heavyweight-boxing-or-joe-louis-vs-primo-carnera-abe-simon-buddy-baer

[Ascended]

Wilder has been regularly coming in above 220 lbs since 2012. 230+ lbs in his past two fights.

Man is 6'7 with an 83" reach and explosive KO power. Name a single fighter prior to the modern era with all these attributes? Oh wait, you cannot.

Also, Usyk is the second best of this era and the greatest technician the HW division has ever seen.

I pity deluded nostalgists like you because all your arguments are either fallacious or emotionally-derived.

Dude is a idiot like why name 1 boxer like that's the only one In hw makes no sense
usyk is the best I explained thst to the idiot and added fury and Anthony no response these people are crazy

I'll do you one better i have asked/begged these crazy idiots since last year to show me louis moving from as many angles as 70s-90s fighters they refuse cause it doesn't exist

Like if louis was the most skilled why is it so hard to show him using as many advanced angles as a Usyk or fury both of these greats are way more fancy and more skilled then any match we have of joe he looks so basic and slow

[Apollo7]

Wilder has been regularly coming in above 220 lbs since 2012. 230+ lbs in his past two fights.

Man is 6'7 with an 83" reach and explosive KO power. Name a single fighter prior to the modern era with all these attributes? Oh wait, you cannot.

Also, Usyk is the second best of this era and the greatest technician the HW division has ever seen.

I pity deluded nostalgists like you because all your arguments are either fallacious or emotionally-derived.

So it's possible to be very successful in the modern era even if you lack skill and are lighter than your opponents if you have other strengthsand attributes. I find that interesting.

[Ascended]

So it's possible to be very successful in the modern era even if you lack skill and are lighter than your opponents if you have other strengthsand attributes. I find that interesting.

Yet that's one man its Anthony and fury and Andy and Beterbiev who are highly advanced try watching matches instead of saying dumb stuff you idiot

the topic says era a era implies in sports mutiple people not just 1 person so why did you say 1 name so your slow and a idiot and the names I put are way more advanced then louis era and all of the era's before his and even if I name just fury or beter either one are way more skilled then those era's

All you people are crazy idiots who say this type of silly stuff