Will people ever STOP OVERRATING old primitive era boxers with little skill?

[Ascended]

I don't believe a lot of today's fighters will beat Sugar Ray Robinson at his weight and in his prime, or Harry Greb.

Those two fighters fought non-stop not like today's fighters which maybe they fight once a year.. IF..

Do you think Mayeather that fought JMM would beat any of those two? and Mayweather is considered the greatest of our generation.

You don't think well your mind is crazy cause your thoughts mean nothing all those dudes are outdated shown on video which means everything so good job saying how crazy you are on the slick

Fighting nonstop was cause their tech was trash they didnt have to fear anything you idiot of course they could do that

[KidDinamita]

You don't think well your mind is crazy cause your thoughts mean nothing all those dudes are outdated shown on video which means everything so good job saying how crazy you are on the slick

Fighting nonstop was cause their tech was trash they didnt have to fear anything you idiot of course they could do that

Oh look the mental one

[Ascended]

Oh look the mental one

Oh look the blind crazy idiot

[KidDinamita]

Oh look the blind crazy idiot

Blind yet still able to type and read your ******ity.. well ""read"", what I can read with that grammar of a 3 year old

[Ascended]

Blind yet still able to type and read your ******ity.. well ""read"", what I can read with that grammar of a 3 year old

I see so that phrase you used is meant to insult me cause you seen other followers use it and it worked on others well im not in school and not brainwashed like you into thinking I have to talk/speak/tex a certain way cause I was taught that in school I dont believe in a right or wrong


I could Use all caps or i could use commas and periods where they so called dont belong see how this works its no way to tell me any way I use words wrong

So no im not wrong now if by your brainwashed standards its wrong so be it but like I said I don't believe in your standards so it doesn't matter to me what you believe or anybody else try something else orginal see if that insults me

Your simple brainwashed and a idiot and blind/follower

[billeau2]

1. The claim is simply that smaller fighters are generally easier to KO, hence being easier to beat. This is statistically true and the reason why weight classes ultimately exist. The Klitschko bros would not need 15 rounds to deal with the small HWs of the past. They would have viciously stopped them in quick fashion.

2. Fury is not a big puncher compared to the hardest hitting HWs of all time. But I guarantee you he hits much harder than Joe Louis. The "smaller guys" who beat Lewis and W. Klitschko are massive compared to the old era HWs. Plus, are you not proving my point by saying they needed to get lucky in order to beat larger, skilled men? Holyfield was not a big puncher at all. Wilder is a complete anomaly with his ridiculous height and reach as it allows him to generate torque a man that relatively light should not be able to.

3. The answer to your question is simply that Liston was massive FOR HIS ERA and had no competition. Imagine chinny, LHW Patterson competing against the super-heavyweights of today? The reddit post below details how the average HW has been getting ~10 lbs bigger every generation. Why? Because it is obviously beneficial to be bigger. It is the biggest factor (not the only) when determining the outcome of a fight, thus why multi-weight champions get more props than single weight ones.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comm...hts_over_time/

Notice how Louis, Liston, Ali and Foreman are all noticeably bigger than the average for their era? Marciano and Tyson* are the only small HWs to enjoy sustained success across any HW generation. This is not a coincidence. Because smaller guys need to compensate with other attributes like power which is purely a genetic factor and get lucky with weaker competition like in the 50s and late 80s vs. the much stronger 90s respectively.

*I guess Holyfield as well. But what happened when he ran into Bowe and Lewis? Man was probably the juiciest fighter of all time too lmao



Wilder putting on weight helped his durability and strength in the clinch. A 215 lbs Wilder would not have survived to the back half of the fight.

A relatively pillow-fisted, weight-drained and rusty Fury trained by the fraud that is Ben Davison was able to stun Wilder at times. Imagine Kronk Fury in that first bout.

1. I see no proof of this first point. Are you confusing the principle that a good big man beats a good small man?

2. Again how can you guarantee that? It's an assumption. Look I was defending Fury, even describing his ko percentage as good when people were calling him feather fisted... I'm a fan, but you simply do not know that. A lot of factors go into punching power... Speed, mass, form,etc.


3. Liston's size was not the issue, it was his reach. No genetic factors, lol, evolution takes a while! It's really a matter of preference... BUT your correct about the average heavy weight... But so what? The elite guys are not reflecting this change, only an average.

4. Dude you started out saying exceptions to size regarding... And keep qualifying it lol. After a few... The more exceptions to the rule... Not laughing at you but you see how it is amusing you're last point?

[Johnny2x2x]

I think heavyweights have grown, but a more interesting conversation is the other weight classes. Today's fighters at 175 and below are better conditioned, trained, and more skilled than the ones from 50 years ago. It's a completely different ball game now than it was 50-100 years ago.

[Ascended]

I think heavyweights have grown, but a more interesting conversation is the other weight classes. Today's fighters at 175 and below are better conditioned, trained, and more skilled than the ones from 50 years ago. It's a completely different ball game now than it was 50-100 years ago.

No its not the crazy people say louis was the most skilled yet missing mutiple advances in movement they had since 70s

[Blue54]

I just got finished reading a RING MAGAZINE article from a few years in degust, for several different reasons. One being how ring magazine and many boxing fans/journalist/critiques, disregard the EYE TEST.

For example, this particular had Jack Dempsey as the 5th greatest heavyweight of all time . Dempsey in his prime was 190 pounds, had no skill (neither did his opponents) and would get CRUSHED by an average amateur middleweight of today?

I recall one idiot (FROM THIS MESSAGE BOARD) saying how fighters were so great back then "because they fought 30-40 rounds". The reason they were able to fight all those rounds was because they didn't do anything but circle each other and hold. If you fight 30 rounds in a Boxing match that means your not doing anything.

Logic gets thrown out the window when it comes to old primitive boxers.

Will people ever stop overrating old fighters from the past?

I agree many fans over hype the old legends saying they would dominate today when realistically athletes improve over time.
But Dempsey was a skilled fighter and helped adapt the bob and weave style we see today in boxing. Guys like Dempsey, Louis, Armstrong, Tunney and so on help boxing become what it is today with their skill and deserve credit for that. Also I believe if Ray Robinson fought in modern era he would be a champion today but only him lol.

[Roadblock]

I agree many fans over hype the old legends saying they would dominate today when realistically athletes improve over time.
But Dempsey was a skilled fighter and helped adapt the bob and weave style we see today in boxing. Guys like Dempsey, Louis, Armstrong, Tunney and so on help boxing become what it is today with their skill and deserve credit for that. Also I believe if Ray Robinson fought in modern era he would be a champion today but only him lol.

What you just described is evolution its real and it amazes me that people think boxing missed out on that.