Will people ever STOP OVERRATING old primitive era boxers with little skill?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

No Opinion its fact jess or none of those black and white era dudes up to 60s wouldnt make pro in 70s-now the advances in skills are way much higher this isn't Opinion its on video easy to see
same as any sport

If you see jack joe jess or anybody else making pro in the years I said your vision is real bad

Its a vid on youtube ali vs louis 2nd link down its a side by side it not only shows ali way better movement and skills it shows people ali fought and people Joe fought

can you not see the differences at all in advances in movement and skills your just blind to this? even thought the vid is side by side

People ali fought moved way better and way more skilled then the Joe era
Same goes for any era like I said before joes era compared to 70s-now they look like trash

So no its not opinion so dont know why you said that

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So this is showing the side-by-side and it becomes some elitist group where those of us who prefer older fighters just "Can't see it" or "don't get it". Haha. You're right. I don't. There's nothing to indicate how Joe or Ali would do against one another from watching this. Ali looks faster but Joe has more poise and is not wasting any movement whereas Ali is all over the place and will naturally wear down more quickly. I've always though Joe had the advantage over Ali tbh. He's smarter and more measured with his movement. However, it's very hard to say. Both were great. I can't see Joe knocking him out but I don't see Ali knocking Joe out either. I think it goes the distance with Ali probably having the outside edge whereas Joe has the inside edge in an interesting, although I doubt explosive, contest. However, there's no "Oh, man if you don't see it, ydksab" crap you're going to sell me. I've played those BS games before. It's laughable.

[Ascended]

So this is showing the side-by-side and it becomes some elitist group where those of us who prefer older fighters just "Can't see it" or "don't get it". Haha. You're right. I don't. There's nothing to indicate how Joe or Ali would do against one another from watching this. Ali looks faster but Joe has more poise and is not wasting any movement whereas Ali is all over the place and will naturally wear down more quickly. I've always though Joe had the advantage over Ali tbh. He's smarter and more measured with his movement. However, it's very hard to say. Both were great. I can't see Joe knocking him out but I don't see Ali knocking Joe out either. I think it goes the distance with Ali probably having the outside edge whereas Joe has the inside edge in an interesting, although I doubt explosive, contest. However, there's no "Oh, man if you don't see it, ydksab" crap you're going to sell me. I've played those BS games before. It's laughable.

Your not wrong your right your fiction joe would go the distance he was fast as ali and had good defense and he never stuggled in his era this joe beats ali

My joe which is the one I said on video which is the way I said he was slow stiff and basic and would be destroyed by mutiple people from Ali's era

my joe stuggled to land on bill who was the 2nd best mover of that whole era behind jers
Bill only lost cause he stopped moving

Bill showed Ali would outbox joe easy
Jers the best mover of all time in the black and white era before ray came countered joe easy and dropped him and made him look like the rest
The real joe

70s had people who moved so that dumb quote of not wasting energy joe did would have him destroyed just like he was countered easy by jers
real joe would need to move


Your fiction joe has no matches that goes over him struggling or does he have any match showing he could compete with Ali

You shouldnt have anything to disagree with now since we're talking on 2 different versions of a fighter the difference is mine existed
I dont care about yours though since he wasnt real and that goes for the fiction jack and Jess you talked on to they dont matter cause they never existed

And I dont care about any thought you or any other person has cause thoughts dont matter only vid matters and vid shows im right side by side which you can't see good so your vision doesn't matter to me only people who can see good matters to me

and I know im right and I know your right but not for the real joe like I said only the fiction one which doesn't matter to me

This topic should have been ended the 1st page where the first poster said the truth and its still people like you who got vision problems saying this silly stuff

Like I said anybody can see the real joe would lose easily to Ali like how would joe win if Ali wouldn't just stand there like bill did to go toe to toe for some reason Ali would keep moving
See how your slow joe would lose cause Ali would just hit him and never stop moving so joe can land

But joe never would get to Ali cause other people in 70s would had took joe out

What this all means is your vision is bad and you need a dr cause your ******

you idiots like making yourself look ****** been doing it for years on other sites to

And then you acted like you only seen how joe and ali moved themselves when i told you to look at how people moved that means the opponents to and they all moved way worst then people in Ali's era your mental just like the rest

[Ascended]

Maybe if we're talking fighters pre 1930s but mid 1930s early 40s skill level improved a ton in boxing. Sugar Ray Robinson, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Billy Conn. Jersey Joe Walcott, Henry Armstrong.Their skills and talent passes the test of time.

Wrong none of those dudes would make pro in 70s-now you need to watch more eras

[RightJabLikeZab]

Wrong none of those dudes would make pro in 70s-now you need to watch more eras

I've been following boxing for almost 20 years, I've been on this boxing forum for over a decade, and a random guy is telling me that I need to watch more eras. Lol.

Great insight.

Lol.

[Ascended]

I've been following boxing for almost 20 years, I've been on this boxing forum for over a decade, and a random guy is telling me that I need to watch more eras. Lol.

Great insight.

Lol.

Oh ok 20 years so that means your vision is bad then none of those dudes would make pro like I said its easy to see they wouldn't like I said way to outdated missing mutiple advances in movement

So why did you say that dumb quote of how how long you been watching you could have been watching for a hundred

and still be saying crazy stuff like that either your crazy or like I said bad vision or both

I just Showed a crazy idiot named Tony last night a side by side vid of how they fought in 30s compared to 70s and all of the dudes in Ali's time moved way more/smoother/more angles then 30s

idiot said but I dont see how they moved better which is your same problem bad vision/crazy or both so like I said that quote of how long I been watching is ****** it means nothing

Its many crazy/bad vision people like you here and on the other site

To prove your wrong no gym from 80s-now would let those dudes you named fight how they did cause they would be in the hospital or ended they would teach them advances in said era in movement

[Good ol' Douglas]

No Opinion its fact jess or none of those black and white era dudes up to 60s wouldnt make pro in 70s-now the advances in skills are way much higher this isn't Opinion its on video easy to see
same as any sport

If you see jack joe jess or anybody else making pro in the years I said your vision is real bad

Its a vid on youtube ali vs louis 2nd link down its a side by side it not only shows ali way better movement and skills it shows people ali fought and people Joe fought

can you not see the differences at all in advances in movement and skills your just blind to this? even thought the vid is side by side

People ali fought moved way better and way more skilled then the Joe era
Same goes for any era like I said before joes era compared to 70s-now they look like trash

So no its not opinion so dont know why you said that

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Even when you watch Ali's opponent, the skill level is not good.

Poor ring-cutting ability with minimal jabs and no feints. Just slowly plodding after Ali in a loose, static high guard while desperately lunging in and throwing rabbit punches.

All Ali had to was circle the ring, occasionally pop a jab and use some basic hand fighting/framing to maintain distance. He barely feinted himself and when he did, it was the same step in and soft jab feint.

Fury and Usyk have far more sophisticated feint games and methods of distance control. The only explanation outside nostalgia is that these forum hipsters do not understand boxing on a technical level. They just see two blokes in a ring throwing hands.

[Ascended]

Even when you watch Ali's opponent, the skill level is not good.

Poor ring-cutting ability with minimal jabs and no feints. Just slowly plodding after Ali in a loose, static high guard while desperately lunging in and throwing rabbit punches.

All Ali had to was circle the ring, occasionally pop a jab and use some basic hand fighting/framing to maintain distance. He barely feinted himself and when he did, it was the same step in and soft jab feint.

Fury and Usyk have far more sophisticated feint games and methods of distance control. The only explanation outside nostalgia is that these forum hipsters do not understand boxing on a technical level. They just see two blokes in a ring throwing hands.

Well I know that Doug the ali era skills isn't that high compared to 80s and now I'm comparing before the 60s and before Ali's era is way more skilled then those era's you know that like i know it

Frazier Ron george Oscar Larry floyd all these men would go undefeated had they been in the louis/dempsey/armstrong era thats how much more skilled these boxers were then those

to me usyk is the fanciest movement hw I ever seen moves as good as a young floyd at hw amazing

And fury is the most skilled tallest hw the sport has ever seen yet these crazy people here say Louis beat max so he can beat fury like max was trash why even compare him makes no sense it makes no sense to compare any of those dudes to fury cause they all were trash

Some idiot named Tony when I showed him a side by side video on tube of the ali and joe era he said he can see joe lasting like these people really are either blind or crazy which I always call them

who in their right mind or with good vision watches a joe era match and a ali and thinks they see joe even landing on him just ridiculous

so no that quote of nostalgia doesn't work cause thats not it these people are crazy and blind not just this site only on all other sites where they say this crazy stuff at

[-Kev-]

White Americans didn't stop being the top guys in boxing because they got bored of it. They didn't stop playing in the NBA to make way for black players. They didn't just allow Hank Aaron to take the Home Run crown because they felt bad.

They are not fighting for peanuts in MMA just for fun. And they are even being slowly kicked out of there too.

What happened was, that these sports gained diversity and things became harder for them. They were kicked out of these sports.

They're still around today, with the "medicine and training" of today. You don't see them as the best because now they suck. The medicine and training, work outs, nutrition, it's all there today. They're not around in the top 10 anymore because they simply can't compete.

You got...Kelly Pavlik, and Caleb Plant..The Paul bros.

There are a bunch of Jack Dempsey's and Gene Tunney's in the shadows, in gyms, somewhere in the top 100 ranks of weight classes. But they just aren't good enough anymore because now there are blacks, latinos, asians, and eastern europeans.

Cong**** to Jack Dempsey, he was the best white American fighter in an era where there were mostly white American fighters, top 10's consist of white Americans, P4P lists would have been all white Americans. Congratulations. He fought in such a difficult era and such a hard time...oh man he "wrote a book"...lol.... While you're reading his little book, remember he didn't have to face someone like Jones Jr, Fury, Hopkins, Usyk, Ali, Beterbiev.

Bring on Jack Dempsey to today's era, give him the training, nutrition, whatever, of today...he will get whooped anyway.

[Ascended]

Maybe if we're talking fighters pre 1930s but mid 1930s early 40s skill level improved a ton in boxing. Sugar Ray Robinson, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Billy Conn. Jersey Joe Walcott, Henry Armstrong.Their skills and talent passes the test of time.

No they all look horrible crazy idiot

[Ascended]

What a DUMBASS!

Your the dummy crazy person everything he said was right watch other era's after 40s you nut