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[Robi13]

Once again he haven't proved he was the BEST because neither him Benavidez or Plant have fought each other yet. We just seen the guy struggle greatly with Ryder, so yeah neither you or any F^cking Boxing Writer is not going to convince me he is the "BEST 168 Fighter"

That Taller Garbage means nothing, he just have a Longer Torso for Canelo to Target and Chop Down

Callum is the best in terms of resume in the division because callum holds the lineal title the ring title at 68 and that’s a fact not an emotional opinion. Over the years of posting on this site I’ve become immune to people hating but facts are facts and callum is the ring champ at 68 undefeated and in his prime. I agree height doesn’t mean a lot but imagine canelo having 6 inch height and reach advantages against his opponent! It’s night night for said opponent within 2 rounds easy so it means something bro we all know it, but it doesn’t mean **** because it’s canelo lol c’Mon bro stop hating and enjoy the kings return. Should be a good one don’t you think? Personally, benavides is the fight id like to see most at 68 for canelo but Im not mad at this fight one bit I think their style make for an exiting fight

[sicko]

Callum is the best in terms of resume in the division because callum holds the lineal title the ring title at 68 and that’s a fact not an emotional opinion. Over the years of posting on this site I’ve become immune to people hating but facts are facts and callum is the ring champ at 68 undefeated and in his prime. I agree height doesn’t mean a lot but imagine canelo having 6 inch height and reach advantages against his opponent! It’s night night for said opponent within 2 rounds easy so it means something bro we all know it, but it doesn’t mean **** because it’s canelo lol c’Mon bro stop hating and enjoy the kings return. Should be a good one don’t you think? Personally, benavides is the fight id like to see most at 68 for canelo but Im not mad at this fight one bit I think their style make for an exiting fight

Stop making it about Canelo! He is by far my #1 P4P so my questions about Callum was in place after the Ryder fight and long before Canelo picked him. Even Eddie Reynoso joked about "Maybe They Should Be Fighting Ryder" or something like that when they made the announcement

so yeah, Callum don't impress me, I hope he proves me wrong and make it a great fight but stylistically he does absolutely NOTHING that gives Canelo Problems!

[Cobra Curry]

Thurman has one loss - to one of the greatest to do it.

Thurman was unified WBC/WBA champion.

Thurman has wins over Porter and Swift.

Thurman's resume drives circles around Crawford's.

Thurman at one point was keeping PBC afloat.

So let's assume he initially asked for $10 million (that was debunked, by the way).

What you SHOULD do is negotiate.

Not tell BoMac to run to Twitter whining.

Now, explain why Keef doesn't deserve $10 million to fight Crawford, but Crawford somehow deserves $9.5 million to fight Manny BASED ON BOTH GUYS' WELTERWEIGHT RESUMES?

Thurman's last meaningful win was in 2017. Yes he's beaten Porter and Garcia, credit to him, but Brook also beat Porter and in more decisive fashion.

Crawford beat Horn who beat Pacquiao, albeit controversially. Thurman did not.

Did he ask for too much from the Pacquiao fight? Sure, I can see that argument but on the other hand Pacquiao is a cash cow and as a 3 division champion and current P4P name you're going to see what you can get.

I think we can agree that Crawford generates less than Pacquiao yet you want more to fight Crawford? I can't see that.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Stop making it about Canelo! He is by far my #1 P4P so my questions about Callum was in place after the Ryder fight and long before Canelo picked him. Even Eddie Reynoso joked about "Maybe They Should Be Fighting Ryder" or something like that when they made the announcement

so yeah, Callum don't impress me, I hope he proves me wrong and make it a great fight but stylistically he does absolutely NOTHING that gives Canelo Problems!

...it's ONE fight, bro.

Why are we in a world where fighters are now dismissed because they go close in ONE fight yet are #1 otherwise?

Did you have the same opinion when Mike McCallum upset and stopped Julian Jackson in '86 despite Jackson proceeding to knockout 16 of his next 17 immediately after?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Thurman's last meaningful win was in 2017. Yes he's beaten Porter and Garcia, credit to him, but Brook also beat Porter and in more decisive fashion.

And the version OF Brook that beat Porter was not who showed up against Crawford this past week. So we can nullify that triangle.

Crawford beat Horn who beat Pacquiao, albeit controversially. Thurman did not.

Crawford fabricated a hand injury that delayed Horn's camp, number one.

Number two, the ref stopped Horn on his feet with Crawford winging punches. Shades of Wilder/Washington.

Number three, unlike Manny, Crawford refused to fight Horn on his home turf. And don't say "he didn't want to get robbed" - if he's that good, he'd have knocked Horn out, which Manny failed to do, to prove he was better than Manny.

Instead, because basically Crawford (and smartly so) took away every advantage Horn had...a ref that wouldn't let him get dirty, a fabricated hand injury to throw off camp and having to travel overseas...Crawford got his hand raised, but there's an asterisk. At least Manny was man enough to fight the guy on his turf before ducking the rematch.

And oh by the way, Spence went over the pond to Brook's home turf to stop him and take the belt back that Porter lost domestically. And that was a freshER version of Brook. So Spence's Brook win is FAR better than Crawford's for multiple reasons.

Did he ask for too much from the Pacquiao fight? Sure, I can see that argument but on the other hand Pacquiao is a cash cow and as a 3 division champion and current P4P name you're going to see what you can get.

And allegedly, Crawford is #1P4P, so Keef decided to put a number out to see what he could get. The next step SHOULD have been Crawford's team negotiating. NOT BoMac running whining to Twitter.

[whollisboxing]

Whether there is or isn't a rehydrate clause, it favors Smith. He's huge for the weight.

Carnelo on paper should struggle with this guy big time.

Indeed, and he’s giving up lots of height and reach. I have heard people saying that Callum Smith is a cherry pick but Smith destroyed Rocky Fielding even quicker than Canelo did. I know those same people will bring up the John Ryder fight but it’s not like Callum Smith an old fighter who is declining. He had a bad night and it happens but I’m sure he will be up for the Canelo fight

[Death_Adder]

Only an idiot would think Crawford is fighting better opposition than Canelo.

[Cobra Curry]

And the version OF Brook that beat Porter was not who showed up against Crawford this past week. So we can nullify that triangle.




Crawford fabricated a hand injury that delayed Horn's camp, number one.

Number two, the ref stopped Horn on his feet with Crawford winging punches. Shades of Wilder/Washington.

Number three, unlike Manny, Crawford refused to fight Horn on his home turf. And don't say "he didn't want to get robbed" - if he's that good, he'd have knocked Horn out, which Manny failed to do, to prove he was better than Manny.

Instead, because basically Crawford (and smartly so) took away every advantage Horn had...a ref that wouldn't let him get dirty, a fabricated hand injury to throw off camp and having to travel overseas...Crawford got his hand raised, but there's an asterisk. At least Manny was man enough to fight the guy on his turf before ducking the rematch.

And oh by the way, Spence went over the pond to Brook's home turf to stop him and take the belt back that Porter lost domestically. And that was a freshER version of Brook. So Spence's Brook win is FAR better than Crawford's for multiple reasons.




And allegedly, Crawford is #1P4P, so Keef decided to put a number out to see what he could get. The next step SHOULD have been Crawford's team negotiating. NOT BoMac running whining to Twitter.

The Brook who fought Spence wasn't exactly boxfresh, we all know the issues he had going in to that fight. In fact, Brook was coming off three wins rather than a knockout loss and a deep weight cut. My main point in answer to your previous question was that Thurman's resume, while good, isn't exactly deep.

I wasn't aware of the issues around Crawford v Horn but that was a dominant performance, far more so than Pacquiao's. The stoppage looked more akin to Wilder/Fury than Wilder/Washington to me.

As for BoMac's negotiation skills, I can see your point but again, how are you going to expect more from Crawford than you got from Manny Pacquiao?

[Combat Talk Radio]

I wasn't aware of the issues around Crawford v Horn but that was a dominant performance, far more so than Pacquiao's. The stoppage looked more akin to Wilder/Fury than Wilder/Washington to me.

Not even close.




Crawford landed ONE shot of that entire sequence.

Then everyone's favorite instant replay ref Robert Byrd just jumped in. It was BS.

[Cobra Curry]

Not even close.




Crawford landed ONE shot of that entire sequence.

Then everyone's favorite instant replay ref Robert Byrd just jumped in. It was BS.

What about all that has preceded that sequence? Byrd is not a great ref by any means but Horn had taken a battering.

I make the Fury comparison because although Wilder was actually throwing when the ref jumped in, I didn't disagree with the stoppage.