Why do Canelo and PBC fans hate Crawford so much

[NearHypnos]

That's fair. I don't think what he's done at 147 has been THAT bad, but it's fair to say that he hasn't fought the top guys there either yet.



On the Top Rank thing, you do see what happens to guys when they tell Bob they are leaving, right? I don't read too much into that other than 'leave Bob at your peril.' Like trying to leave the mafia or a gang.

If 2 guys want to fight, the fight will happen, even in today's promoter wars scenario. Neither Spence nor Crawford are that demanding about stuff though, so that's why we have had to wait. And tbh, who even knows what that fight will be now after Spence's wreck.

And Spence has faced Porter recently at 147. Before that, he faced Brook, 3.5 years ago. That's really it, besides the Danny fight coming up. I don't really see the angle that he has been fighting killers at 147 himself.

Are Mikey, Porter, and Danny better fights than Khan, Kava, and Brook? Of course. But I wouldn't go so far to say that those 2 groups are worlds apart. A lot of it depends on what you really think of those guys. For one, I don't think Mikey at 147 is that tough of a fight at that time for a real WW like Spence.

If we give credit for that fight/win, we may as well start acting like Brook was in his prime and a great win for Crawford, which obviously is not accurate as far as we can tell.

Idk I guess basically I don't buy the line that Crawford's comp has been that terrible at 147; and his lack of securing big fights I don't really put on him. And he definitely did some good things below 140 as well which we have to give him credit for too. Someone like Canelo, I mean some of his wins have asterisks, as far as decisions and then even the opponent level at that time/weight clauses etc.




Good points



Horn is not his best win...saying something like that shows ignorance of what Crawford has done in his career.



Yeah it's all subjective on pfp. I just don't like seeing the catty posts/threads about Crawford when the people 'hating' on him are doing it for those silly reasons. Fair to critique the guy for sure. But he is a special fighter and a lot of the criticism is all too predictable.



I would say a PBC fan is someone who is a fan of all or most of their fighters in that stable, while also not being a fan generally of guys who are on the other side of the street.

Basically they are just fans of guys because they have the PBC label, and not fans of guys who aren't, just because they don't have that label.

Brook, Porter, Danny are all top 5 WWs at the time of fighting. Some even argued Brook was the top dog or number 2 at WW prior to GGG. Some argue Porter is the third best WW since Thurman seemingly lost control of his body and career.

There’s a HUGE different between Kav, Benavidez, this version of Khan and this version of Brook.

HUUGE. It’s not just that there are flat out better fighters in the division (the aforementioned) but even public perception.

The Mikey fight was bogus as hell but I don’t blame Spence for it. Mikey called for it for a good while and it was a marquee name. I’d take that Mikey win over any of the people Bud has fought at WW and it’s not even close.

Some years back Spence was vying for his shots and nobody was excited about fighting him. Youve got to remember the times. Thurman was out of commission for a long ass time and as soon as Spence started being able to get the best out of WW, he did.

Bud has been on the radar from the moment he said he was going to 47.

Facts are facts. You cannot dispute nor even argue the difference in competition.

Bud just fought Khan and Brook...within a year or so of time.

Who did Bud beat besides Postol who he wasnt supposed to beat? Gamboa?

The only real asterik is for GGG 1. All the weight stuff is irrelevant unless you’re talking about the Floyd fight. Literally everyone he fought at Canelo weight actually benefitted the opponent more than himself.

People said Trout was the best, Canelo fought him. He fought an ATG at a weight disadvantage. They said he wouldnt fight Lara; he did. If Lara decided to purposely lose 2 and a half minutes of every round by not engaging, that’s on him. They said Kirkland was too ferocious (lmao). Dont forget he was supposed to also fight Paul Williams but due to P.Will’s unfortunate accident, it didnt go through. 154 literally got to a point to where Canelo being there looked unfair to the other fighters there.

We wanted Cotto, we got it. Wanted GGG, he gave us GGG twice with one controversial decision where there is a real debate he got the draw (but haters will tell you otherwise). Wanted the second best, we got the Danny fight where he completely out skilled him. We said Kovalev wouldnt happen and would be hard even if Kovalev isnt what he was, and he did it.

Bud cant even give us ONE good proper fight. One. This is the difference.

Spence has 3. That’s three more than Bud.

There isn’t a guy in the top ten p4p who couldnt have unified that 140. Lets keep it real here. This is as a Bud nut hugger. I wouldnt be as critical of him if I didn’t think he was better than what he’s showing. Fact is, there’s no argument FOR him.

Literally when anyone in my family and friends goes “yeah well who has he fought and who is he fighting next.”

I just get awkward af.

On some “just TRUST me. He really IS one of the best -tears of frustration- TRUST ME.”

It’s all I got. Legit fantasy matchup victories

[KTFOKING]

Special fighter. Not a bad resume either. What else could he have done below 147? Needs to get a top 5 guy at WW in there soon though.

He pretty much fought the top guys in those divisions. The divisions weren't great or anything, but he fought a bunch of solid dudes and dispatched most of them easily. Like would Josh Taylor and Jose Ramirez get this type of hype if they fought at the top level at 140 with Crawford there?

But still, the resume' is very solid just unspectacular. Definitely need to see him in with the top guys at 147. That will solidify his legacy.

[Boxing-1013]

been saying it all along... Crawford will beat Spence when that fight happens

I was always on the Spence train. Just thought he was a wrecking ball and was fond of him since I saw him at the Olympics in 2012. But I started to shift before the Mikey fight; and after his performance there vs Mikey and then Porter, I was behind Crawford 55-45.

Now with Spence's wreck, I have to favor Crawford even more.

Spence also seems to be on that Kovalev life, which always catches up to guys, sooner or later.

Will be interested to see what Spence has vs Danny.

[Boxing-1013]

He pretty much fought the top guys in those divisions. The divisions weren't great or anything, but he fought a bunch of solid dudes and dispatched most of them easily. Like would Josh Taylor and Jose Ramirez get this type of hype if they fought at the top level at 140 with Crawford there?

But still, the resume' is very solid just unspectacular. Definitely need to see him in with the top guys at 147. That will solidify his legacy.

I remember the Postol fight was more or less 50-50 on here going in, and he dominated. I always give props for stuff like that. And Indongo too. Though Indongo was a bit of a pretender who beat another pretender himself.

Hopefully TC gets in with a PBC guy soon. No more bullsh.it, those fights need to happen now.

[KTFOKING]

I remember the Postol fight was more or less 50-50 on here going in, and he dominated. I always give props for stuff like that. And Indongo too. Though Indongo was a bit of a pretender who beat another pretender himself.

Hopefully TC gets in with a PBC guy soon. No more bullsh.it, those fights need to happen now.

I wouldn't say Postol was a 50/50 fight, but it damn sure was a better fight than the Crawford haters will want to admit. Postol still gave Taylor and Ramirez nice fights years later after Crawford dominated him.

Definitely, needs those ASAP. With Arum's recent comments, seems like he may even be fine with letting Crawford go before his contract expires. If he can't get Pacquiao, then just buy yourself out of the deal and go after someone like Porter.

[RHETOЯIC]

I'm a boxing fan.

Meaning, I like the people who entertain me in the ring.

I give no fuсks about Haymon, Arum, or Hearn.

So fans aligning themselves to a particular organization has always been lame and wrestling-like to me.

When I was coming up, I used to watch WCW and WWF(e).

I did have friends, however, who were critical of WCW fighters.

I enjoyed it all, just like I do with boxing.

So I have the ability to like watching PBC fighters fight and Top Rank fighters fight.

Some people are like babies and so easily influenced to choose a side and defend it like they're really making money alongside that particular entity.

[Boxing-1013]

Brook, Porter, Danny are all top 5 WWs at the time of fighting. Some even argued Brook was the top dog or number 2 at WW prior to GGG. Some argue Porter is the third best WW since Thurman seemingly lost control of his body and career.

There’s a HUGE different between Kav, Benavidez, this version of Khan and this version of Brook.

HUUGE. It’s not just that there are flat out better fighters in the division (the aforementioned) but even public perception.

The Mikey fight was bogus as hell but I don’t blame Spence for it. Mikey called for it for a good while and it was a marquee name. I’d take that Mikey win over any of the people Bud has fought at WW and it’s not even close.

Some years back Spence was vying for his shots and nobody was excited about fighting him. Youve got to remember the times. Thurman was out of commission for a long ass time and as soon as Spence started being able to get the best out of WW, he did.

Bud has been on the radar from the moment he said he was going to 47.

Facts are facts. You cannot dispute nor even argue the difference in competition.

Bud just fought Khan and Brook...within a year or so of time.

Who did Bud beat besides Postol who he wasnt supposed to beat? Gamboa?

The only real asterik is for GGG 1. All the weight stuff is irrelevant unless you’re talking about the Floyd fight. Literally everyone he fought at Canelo weight actually benefitted the opponent more than himself.

People said Trout was the best, Canelo fought him. He fought an ATG at a weight disadvantage. They said he wouldnt fight Lara; he did. If Lara decided to purposely lose 2 and a half minutes of every round by not engaging, that’s on him. They said Kirkland was too ferocious (lmao). Dont forget he was supposed to also fight Paul Williams but due to P.Will’s unfortunate accident, it didnt go through. 154 literally got to a point to where Canelo being there looked unfair to the other fighters there.

We wanted Cotto, we got it. Wanted GGG, he gave us GGG twice with one controversial decision where there is a real debate he got the draw (but haters will tell you otherwise). Wanted the second best, we got the Danny fight where he completely out skilled him. We said Kovalev wouldnt happen and would be hard even if Kovalev isnt what he was, and he did it.

Bud cant even give us ONE good proper fight. One. This is the difference.

Spence has 3. That’s three more than Bud.

There isn’t a guy in the top ten p4p who couldnt have unified that 140. Lets keep it real here. This is as a Bud nut hugger. I wouldnt be as critical of him if I didn’t think he was better than what he’s showing. Fact is, there’s no argument FOR him.

Literally when anyone in my family and friends goes “yeah well who has he fought and who is he fighting next.”

I just get awkward af.

On some “just TRUST me. He really IS one of the best -tears of frustration- TRUST ME.”

It’s all I got. Legit fantasy matchup victories

It's always easier to make the big fights when you are the Super A side like Canelo was. As we've seen, you can twist things into your advantage in those fights, and what can the opponent do? Nothing. They have to do what the A-side wants and take the fight. Canelo put a weight clause on Rocky Fielding for God's sake.

I had Canelo beating Lara 7-5, but he lost twice to GGG on my card. I don't see the argument otherwise tbh. But saying there is only one asterisk on Canelo's ledger is silly.

Bud's resume is in large part below 147. At 147 it has been OK, not exceptional. Postol and Gamboa were really good wins. He has some other good wins below 147 as well.

Of course Spence has a better resume at 147. But just as obviously, Crawford has a better overall resume.

[Boxing-1013]

I wouldn't say Postol was a 50/50 fight, but it damn sure was a better fight than the Crawford haters will want to admit. Postol still gave Taylor and Ramirez nice fights years later after Crawford dominated him.

Definitely, needs those ASAP. With Arum's recent comments, seems like he may even be fine with letting Crawford go before his contract expires. If he can't get Pacquiao, then just buy yourself out of the deal and go after someone like Porter.

Unfortunately, leaving Bob seems like leaving the mafia or a gang, so I understand the hesitation. But yes we need to force these fights to happen.

Yeah I bet the odds in Postol-Crawford were in TC's favor, but on here, I definitely felt like it was a 50-50 fight. That seemed to be the sentiment on the threads I was reading going into that fight iirc.

[KTFOKING]

Unfortunately, leaving Bob seems like leaving the mafia or a gang, so I understand the hesitation. But yes we need to force these fights to happen.

Yeah I bet the odds in Postol-Crawford were in TC's favor, but on here, I definitely felt like it was a 50-50 fight. That seemed to be the sentiment on the threads I was reading going into that fight iirc.

Oh got it, I wasn't on here at that time but the betting odds were actually pretty high in favor of Crawford. He was a 6/1 to 7/1 favorite. But a lot of people thought Postol could give Crawford fits and after two rounds it was a one sided beat down.

I think both will part ways amicably. Crawford has to respect what TR has done for him but it is time to move on. There is no point of going to the media and leaking stuff against each other or just flat out attacking each other.

[TonyGe]

Boxing does really engineer some very tribal support. A lot of sports are like that but boxing is just more obvious about it really. Just nowhere to hide it.



Not sure what threads you have been in Tony



Crawford's (and Loma's) activity levels in fights give them the nod over Canelo for me. I like Canelo's skills but he doesn't fight enough rd by rd for me.

I really didn't follow Crawford much untill lately so I might have missed something. Thank God for that. It's unreal how many fighters get crapped on in this forum.