Why do Canelo and PBC fans hate Crawford so much

[Boxingfanatic75]

What's a PBC fan? Are you a fan of PBC if you like some of their fighters? I call this generalization.

It’s the newest fad dontcha know!? Instead of being a boxing and fighter fan now you’re a cool kid if you hate on promoters and promotional companies. It’s the moisty millenial latte soy boy crowd and you must partake to be “in.”

Boxing has some of the most tards as fans. Other sporting fans laugh endlessly at some boxing fans. You don’t see baseball or Hockey constantly obsessing over franchise owners and constantly talking about them more than the actual players. I firmly believe some boxing fans are mentally stunted.

[TonyGe]

I don't see hate for Crawford. Maybe more indifference than anything else. Very good fighter for sure but not charismatic.

[Boxing-1013]

im a canelo fan and i dont hate crawford... cant really **** on bud except for his opposition at 147, but it is what it is...

That's fair. I don't think what he's done at 147 has been THAT bad, but it's fair to say that he hasn't fought the top guys there either yet.

I’m a fan of Bud and Canelo. I s hit on em both also. Also a fan of the other WWs over at PBC and was ultra critical of Spence even after dispatching Brook and fighting Mikey. I called Thurman the man until he showed he wasn’t. Spence has since fought Porter and is fighting Danny now. No need for Thurman anymore so he’s basically handling his business with two (and a half if we count a post GGG career altering beating of Kell Brook) of the top dogs at 47.

You can be a borderline nut hugger if Bud like I am and still call it like it is. The man 100% knew what he was doing calling dudes out and then goes on and signs with Top Rank. If *we* knew the fights weren’t getting made due to the network/promotional disputes, you think he didn’t? He 10000% chose easy money over risky bigger money (which he’d have had to fight and beat legitimate name fighters to increase his earning potential like Spence has). I’m not mad at it, he set his family up and earned his money. But he’s also earned the criticism of fighters and fans alike.

People are looking at Bud almost like how some looked at Lucien Bute (in a way) who wasn’t in the super 6 and then the first top dog from the super 6 (Froch) who got ahold of him beat the living f uck out of him.


You got one guy in an enclosure being hand fed in Bud and the other lions are out there in the wild fighting each other.

You can be a fan of Bud and still be like “Wake me up when he gets even a top 5 WW.”

Kell Brook wasnt even a top 5 guy at 54...

The only knock on Canelo is that he can’t fight more than one guy at once. For every good fight he gives us, there’s 3 more we want to see him in.

Same for Spence now. He’s going on his third top 5 WW in the last few years.

Thurman has fought Danny, Pacquiao, Porter.

Porter has fought Spence, Danny, and Thurman.

Danny has fought Porter and Thurman.

Pacquiao needs not be mentioned.

Mind you this is all in the last few years.

Bud has had like 4-5 fights at WW. Never against a top dog.

Simple

On the Top Rank thing, you do see what happens to guys when they tell Bob they are leaving, right? I don't read too much into that other than 'leave Bob at your peril.' Like trying to leave the mafia or a gang.

If 2 guys want to fight, the fight will happen, even in today's promoter wars scenario. Neither Spence nor Crawford are that demanding about stuff though, so that's why we have had to wait. And tbh, who even knows what that fight will be now after Spence's wreck.

And Spence has faced Porter recently at 147. Before that, he faced Brook, 3.5 years ago. That's really it, besides the Danny fight coming up. I don't really see the angle that he has been fighting killers at 147 himself.

Are Mikey, Porter, and Danny better fights than Khan, Kava, and Brook? Of course. But I wouldn't go so far to say that those 2 groups are worlds apart. A lot of it depends on what you really think of those guys. For one, I don't think Mikey at 147 is that tough of a fight at that time for a real WW like Spence.

If we give credit for that fight/win, we may as well start acting like Brook was in his prime and a great win for Crawford, which obviously is not accurate as far as we can tell.

Idk I guess basically I don't buy the line that Crawford's comp has been that terrible at 147; and his lack of securing big fights I don't really put on him. And he definitely did some good things below 140 as well which we have to give him credit for too. Someone like Canelo, I mean some of his wins have asterisks, as far as decisions and then even the opponent level at that time/weight clauses etc.

It’s not really hatred of Bud but it’s the circumstances surrounding everything. I don’t think anyone is afraid of anyone but because of the boxing Cold War it forces people to pseudo take sides.

Ie I like PBC and I like Bud but Espn( Bradley in particular) are annoying blaming only one side for what’s happening when Spence called out Bob to his face about it and he played dumb. Personally I blame HBO.

Good points

It’s definitely not hate towards Crawford.
As a Canelo fan, I think I just take exception to people saying he’s P4P #1 over Canelo.
Not with that resume. His best win is Horn and he’s in his 30’s.
He made the decision to sign with Top Rank and make it difficult to make the fights people want to see him in.
He’s a great fighter no doubt but he really needs to step up his competition or he’ll be another “what if” guy.

Horn is not his best win...saying something like that shows ignorance of what Crawford has done in his career.

aaah, ok... the P4P thing... where Canelo fans get shirty with Crawford because many rank bud higher than the red kid

there could be some truth in that I suppose

I rate Crawford higher P4P, always have... but I like Canelo better because of his style

they are both excellent fighters, no idea why people get so hung up on P4P

P4P is over-rated as fk... P4P fighters lose all the time LMAO

Yeah it's all subjective on pfp. I just don't like seeing the catty posts/threads about Crawford when the people 'hating' on him are doing it for those silly reasons. Fair to critique the guy for sure. But he is a special fighter and a lot of the criticism is all too predictable.

What's a PBC fan? Are you a fan of PBC if you like some of their fighters? I call this generalization.

I would say a PBC fan is someone who is a fan of all or most of their fighters in that stable, while also not being a fan generally of guys who are on the other side of the street.

Basically they are just fans of guys because they have the PBC label, and not fans of guys who aren't, just because they don't have that label.

[QballLobo]

That's fair. I don't think what he's done at 147 has been THAT bad, but it's fair to say that he hasn't fought the top guys there either yet.



On the Top Rank thing, you do see what happens to guys when they tell Bob they are leaving, right? I don't read too much into that other than 'leave Bob at your peril.' Like trying to leave the mafia or a gang.

If 2 guys want to fight, the fight will happen, even in today's promoter wars scenario. Neither Spence nor Crawford are that demanding about stuff though, so that's why we have had to wait. And tbh, who even knows what that fight will be now after Spence's wreck.

And Spence has faced Porter recently at 147. Before that, he faced Brook, 3.5 years ago. That's really it, besides the Danny fight coming up. I don't really see the angle that he has been fighting killers at 147 himself.

Are Mikey, Porter, and Danny better fights than Khan, Kava, and Brook? Of course. But I wouldn't go so far to say that those 2 groups are worlds apart. A lot of it depends on what you really think of those guys. For one, I don't think Mikey at 147 is that tough of a fight at that time for a real WW like Spence.

If we give credit for that fight/win, we may as well start acting like Brook was in his prime and a great win for Crawford, which obviously is not accurate as far as we can tell.

Idk I guess basically I don't buy the line that Crawford's comp has been that terrible at 147; and his lack of securing big fights I don't really put on him. And he definitely did some good things below 140 as well which we have to give him credit for too. Someone like Canelo, I mean some of his wins have asterisks, as far as decisions and then even the opponent level at that time/weight clauses etc.




Good points



Horn is not his best win...saying something like that shows ignorance of what Crawford has done in his career.



Yeah it's all subjective on pfp. I just don't like seeing the catty posts/threads about Crawford when the people 'hating' on him are doing it for those silly reasons. Fair to critique the guy for sure. But he is a special fighter and a lot of the criticism is all too predictable.



I would say a PBC fan is someone who is a fan of all or most of their fighters in that stable, while also not being a fan generally of guys who are on the other side of the street.

Basically they are just fans of guys because they have the PBC label, and not fans of guys who aren't, just because they don't have that label.

Crawford himself said Horn was his best win because he beat Pacquiao.
His other notable names were well passed their prime or washed when he faced them. Most recently Khan and now Brook.

[PinkGod]

1. Because Crawford would beat all of the PBC frauds & the fanboys know it & 2. Crawford is a vastly superior boxer than AlvaRoid & they can tell just watching him.

[Boxing-1013]

A Canelo and Crawford fan right here!!!
I like Crawford better than Spence he has the more exiting style and comes to fight.

I think Crawford has more dog in him that Spence, and that is saying more about Crawford than anything else. I like his will to win in there. He really gets into the fight.

By the way I still have Canelo as the P4P best in the world. We do have the eye test BUT who you fight is still a major factor. Canelo fought the better opposition.

— Rougarou (@RPrograis) November 15, 2020

What are you doing in my thread after blocking me? We all remember your boasting on Loma-Lopez btw bud

People can criticize Crawford's resume' all they want but dude is a vicious killer in the ring. Missing out on a hell of a fighter if you hate him.

Special fighter. Not a bad resume either. What else could he have done below 147? Needs to get a top 5 guy at WW in there soon though.

Canelo fans hate anyone who gets placed into the P4P Top 5. It's insecurity. They never mentioned Beterbiev until he beat Gvozdyk and now suddenly he's a bum. They never mentioned Inoue until he won the WBSS and now he's a bum. They think the top 10 should be him alone.

PBC fans I assume hate him because he calls out Spence and isn't signed to PBC?

Yep exactly Rexy....

- -Big Fan of Canelo, Craw, and GGG.

What grade U in?

Dude what is your deal man

Wanna know why. We dont hate bud atleast i dont we hate top rank.but truthfully bud is talented but untested we havent seen him vs a top 10 in his division when everyone else has atleast 1 fight vs a top 10 and even top 5. Pacquiao a living legend. Spence took brooks belt fought porter and fighting both garcia. Swift fought thurman porter and now spence. Even ugas has 1 atleast vs porter a win in alot watchers eyes. Crawford has fought who at 147 that was currently top 5 or even top 10. Exactly crickets. Dont give the freeze out reason hayman would quickly sign off a non title fighter with caliber and realistic chance to beat bud like either garcia ugas thurman and porter especially ugas (lowest paid 1, still equally high risk) for a fight vs bud.

But you just ignore everything he did below 147? Even his 5 fights at 147, while not exceptional opponent level, have been decisive. And all of those guys were solid. A little underwhelming vs Kava and Benevidez though.

I don't really see much PBC & Canelo hate towards Bud. Canelo ain't even relevant to Bud unless you are talking about P4P kinda sci fi bs. And generally PBC haters dog out TR more than Bud, but TR haters do the same to PBC so it equals out.

On the bold, idk what threads you have been in man. I see it any time Crawford's name is brought up and a Canelo fan is in the thread.

All of the nonsensical ''Best p4p since SRL'' talk could be it.

People do get crazy after a fight, in both directions. I do think talent-wise Crawford is really special though. But would need to at least win decisively vs a couple top guys at 147 to really go there with the SRL comparison imo. If he 'dominates' Porter and Danny for example.

I don't even know what to make of the Spence fight anymore. Not sure what Spence will be post-wreck.

[Boxing-1013]

It’s the newest fad dontcha know!? Instead of being a boxing and fighter fan now you’re a cool kid if you hate on promoters and promotional companies. It’s the moisty millenial latte soy boy crowd and you must partake to be “in.”

Boxing has some of the most tards as fans. Other sporting fans laugh endlessly at some boxing fans. You don’t see baseball or Hockey constantly obsessing over franchise owners and constantly talking about them more than the actual players. I firmly believe some boxing fans are mentally stunted.

Boxing does really engineer some very tribal support. A lot of sports are like that but boxing is just more obvious about it really. Just nowhere to hide it.

I don't see hate for Crawford. Maybe more indifference than anything else. Very good fighter for sure but not charismatic.

Not sure what threads you have been in Tony

1. Because Crawford would beat all of the PBC frauds & the fanboys know it & 2. Crawford is a vastly superior boxer than AlvaRoid & they can tell just watching him.

Crawford's (and Loma's) activity levels in fights give them the nod over Canelo for me. I like Canelo's skills but he doesn't fight enough rd by rd for me.

[Boxing-1013]

Crawford himself said Horn was his best win because he beat Pacquiao.
His other notable names were well passed their prime or washed when he faced them. Most recently Khan and now Brook.

Have you followed anything he did before 147? Postol, Gamboa etc.

[aboutfkntime]

been saying it all along... Crawford will beat Spence when that fight happens

[BoxingIsGreat]

I would say a PBC fan is someone who is a fan of all or most of their fighters in that stable, while also not being a fan generally of guys who are on the other side of the street.

Basically they are just fans of guys because they have the PBC label, and not fans of guys who aren't, just because they don't have that label.

One strange fan that is!