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  • GrandpaBernard
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    #21
    Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
    Mosley was about the same, didn't lose much between fighting Floyd and Manny. Manny got a more dominant win. Hatton didn't lose much between fighting Floyd and Manny KO'd him in decisive fashion without help from Joe Cortez.

    Floyd "retired" to avoid a DLH rematch, where he got a very narrow decision and many say a gift.

    Again, Floyd never beat an elite level opponent at their best.
    manny didn’t want no part of Mosley after he whooped margarito and roach is on record about Shane being too good then

    manny only felt comfortable with Mosley after Floyd gave him a boxing lesson

    Every fighter uses matchmaking so why is Floyd treated as special for doing it.

    Floyd’s Mosley came off a career great performance. Mosley was seen as vulnerable when manny decided to fight him

    manny’s Hatton was no longer undefeated and knew what it was like to lose by ko

    Floyd fought better versions of their shared opponents yet the other guy is praised for fighting weaker editions? Lol

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    • Rockin'
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      #22
      Originally posted by GhostofDempsey
      His greatest talent was knowing when to catch a marquee name opponent when they weren't at their best. Still a big name, but no longer a serious threat.
      I second this^^^^^

      But regardless, Floyd had exceptional skill. In his ring work and the way that he played the game. He knew exactly what he was doing. And he may no longer be a threat in the ring, but to the people in boxing, we'll see if his promotional skills match his fighting skills in any way. Floyd ain't out of the sport yet.
      Hell, he was raised in and around the sport. It's in his blood. Do your thing Floyd!!! .......Rockin'

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      • GhostofDempsey
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        #23
        Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
        manny didn’t want no part of Mosley after he whooped margarito and roach is on record about Shane being too good then

        manny only felt comfortable with Mosley after Floyd gave him a boxing lesson

        Every fighter uses matchmaking so why is Floyd treated as special for doing it.

        Floyd’s Mosley came off a career great performance. Mosley was seen as vulnerable when manny decided to fight him

        manny’s Hatton was no longer undefeated and knew what it was like to lose by ko

        Floyd fought better versions of their shared opponents yet the other guy is praised for fighting weaker editions? Lol
        Floyd wanted no part of Mosley at 135, when he was prime. Manny never ducked Mosley or any other opponent. You expect people to believe that the guy who walks into the fire with rematches of his toughest opponents is going to duck feather-fisted Floyd or even Mosley? It doesn't pass the common sense test. Manny consistently fought bigger, stronger fighters than himself, while Floyd consistently fought smaller, older, or slower fighters. His marketing and PR team hyped up C-rate fighters like Ortiz and Guerrero to look like competitive match ups for the casuals.

        Undefeated has nothing to do with whether or not a fighter is in their prime or at their best. Manny's KO win over Hatton is way more impressive than Floyd's TKO in ten rounds with the help of Joe Cortez who wouldn't allow Hatton to fight on the inside. Hatton was also much smaller against Floyd, had to come up for the fight.

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        • hugh grant
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          #24
          Floyd was good he is top 30 all time at least.
          But he did cherrypick. If a former flyweight with 70 fights is your best win and ceiling of course you cherry picked.
          In 100 years Floyd hasn't got a win that will have people drooling over
          Last edited by hugh grant; 11-06-2020, 02:49 PM.

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          • djtmal
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            #25
            He was good but he took his foot off the gas so we'll never know how good he really was. Settled for beating the best guys on his resume after we had seen lessor fighters not just beat but ravage or ko far better versions of them.

            Prior to Hatton he fought all kinds of styles, and we saw the potential when he stopped a prime, undefeated Corrales and Hatton, but after that once he was able to cherrypick, er i mean, fight on his own terms, he was smart enough to avoid guys who would have given him a way to go, by taking 2 year vacations, faking retirements, or just going thru the motions like he wanted the fight, by either straight up backing out (Winky Wright), or conjuring up some bizarre demands that only a c-list, bottom of the totem pole fighter would accept (prime Pac).

            Guys like Margarito and Paul Williams, oops I'm on vacation for 2 years I am a promotor now; I may never fight again, but he's all of a sudden available for slow, flat footed, come forward, short armed guys like Marquez, Guerrero, Ortiz, and Madonna, or non boxers like Tenshin and McGregor. Not enough Canelos for my taste. Why you think he now runs around defending his resume when he's supposed to be promoting a fighter under his promotional banner. He realizes only a small percentage of people respect it. Was Roger always bigging up his career when Floyd was a young lion?
            Last edited by djtmal; 11-06-2020, 03:09 PM.

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            • blowblow
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              #26
              Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
              manny didn’t want no part of Mosley after he whooped margarito and roach is on record about Shane being too good then

              manny only felt comfortable with Mosley after Floyd gave him a boxing lesson

              Every fighter uses matchmaking so why is Floyd treated as special for doing it.

              Floyd’s Mosley came off a career great performance. Mosley was seen as vulnerable when manny decided to fight him

              manny’s Hatton was no longer undefeated and knew what it was like to lose by ko

              Floyd fought better versions of their shared opponents yet the other guy is praised for fighting weaker editions? Lol
              good for you.. that's your opinion. keep believing.. hahahaha.. that's not a fact.. that was your lame opinion.

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              • QueensburyRules
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                #27
                Originally posted by VG_Addict
                Did Floyd really cherrypick, or was he just that much better than everyone he fought?
                - -JoyBoy never got over being the ******al cherry.

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                • abracada
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
                  Floyd dominated fellow ATGs giving them boxing lessons:

                  Marquez
                  Mosley
                  Alvarez
                  manny

                  Other great fighters struggled with manny while Floyd made it look easy.

                  Barrera got ****d

                  Morales went left and death with him

                  Marquez needed 3 fights to crack the manny code

                  How many guys can make a high ranking great like manny easy without a weight advantage on the first try
                  Ahh, I would argue that Maidana revealed some kinks in his armory, and that he did avoid some fighters in their prime.

                  That said, I rate him higher than Pacquiao in terms of boxing skills

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                  • anonymous2.0
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                    #29
                    How good was Floyd?
                    Good enough

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                    • edgarg
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by VG_Addict
                      Did Floyd really cherrypick, or was he just that much better than everyone he fought?
                      YES- is the answer.... the TOP Cherry=Picker in Boxing. You need go no further than his fight with Emanuel Augustus, a game guy without any kind of punch. Mayweather was the unbeaten 130 lb champ with 5 defences, top fighter, and thinking "Carefully" of going up in a year or so to lightweight, so who does he pick as a "test". He picks Emanuel. a guy with 22 wins and 16 losses.

                      When he fought Castillo he slipped up and actually lost. But he could be excused as Castillo had already been the battering post for Julio Cesar Chavez for 9 years, his top sparring partner. But the fight was in Las Vegas...so he got the decision.

                      I'll stop here, even thinking of the guy is distasteful. I love boxing and true sportsmanship, and when you look at Mayweather, you see nothing. A nothing, with tons of money fooled from the ignorant, ****** public. So instead of "boxer" he should be put along with Barnum as "con-man",

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