David-Leo Santa Cruz PPV numbers

[Goldie]

Actually, I give Floyd alot of credit if not the most of it. He knows how to groom a PPV star without risking him against tough competition. He knows how to exploit other fighter’s popularity and use them to build his fighter’s marketability.

Tank Davis is a living example of how to make a PPV superstar without fighting the best competition around. Can’t accuse Floyd himself of that but Tank is a living proof.

Mexicans vs Mexicans can draw. We’ve seen that before. See Barrera-Marquez and Barrera-Morales, etc. They just need good and competitive match-making between rising stars and they’d draw fans.

Neither LSC and Mikey had those kind of matches, that’s why they never had PPV fights. Their fault they avoided competition too.

Even with all this passive aggressive btching, you still didn’t answer my questions. How can you accuse guys like Tank and Spence of “leeching drawing power” from Mexicans like Leo and Mickey when those 2 Mexicans haven’t proven to be any kind of draw themselves? You said it yourself, tank had already headlined events before this fight with Leo so how was he the one leeching drawing power? Tank got 14k people to come out in ATL and Baltimore has Leo ever done that anywhere?

What it means is that Al Haymon needs Mexican Bidness to save ****** fellowship fanhood because Wilder is gone. LSC got paid well while being an idiot allowing TMT swap gloves last minute. Tank has 2.4mil followers. You don't think it'd be disastrous if he lost to LSC? What else would Showtime provide thereafter? Charlos? There's a reason why Davis never fought Loma before. It's called preserving that 0 and swapping tampered gloves last minute. Ask Fury. He knows all about it innit!

Haymon didn’t need the grass architects for tank’s events n ATL or Baltimore did he?

Floyd clearly was trying to build the loma-tank fight up to be a super fight major event but loma just couldn’t keep up his end to make it happen. Probably better for loma anyway tho. He would’ve went in there and tried to exchange with tank and probably would gotten slept.

[Goldie]

No chance these PPV numbers are accurate. I've noticed that mainly since the days of Golovkin vs Canelo and talks between Wilder vs Joshua where PPV numbers were a heavy consideration for purse splits, all of a sudden you started seeing these hugely inflated PPV numbers mainly from PBC. Tank and Leo are attractions yes, but 300k? He's already at 2013/2014 Canelo PPV level during a pandemic where a large number of people need financial assistance and after months of a dip in boxing events due to the pandemic and in his first PPV for $75? No way that's true. And it's not just him either, these ridiculous PPV numbers have been a trend lately. I believe HBO and Showtime pre-PBC actually produced accurate numbers, you never saw numbers even close to this for the kind of fighters who have been producing them lately. And so now for any crossover fight, they can say look at my guys numbers, he deserves a much larger purse like we saw with Spence and Wilder. Honestly, I'd simply say accurate PPV numbers are a thing of the past and we can simply assume that viewing numbers for apps like DAZN or ppv numbers will largely be kept private. At least until these so called PPV numbers have some form of actual verification which I doubt will ever happen.

Lol at the “this isn’t what I want to believe so I’m not going to believe it” posts. People are so weak mentally nowadays.

[KTFOKING]

It did 200k-225k buys and the Charlo twins did 100k-120k buys...

Yeah, I'm sure the PBC/Showtime execs are pleased lmao

Why wouldn't they be pleased? How many buys were you expecting from this fight? What did SHO guarantee for Davis and Leo anyways?

For reference:

Ward-Kovalev I - 160-165,000 buys
Ward-Kovalev 2 - 125-140,000 buys
GGG-Lemieux - 150,000 buys
GGG-Jacobs - 160-170,000 buys
Crawford vs Khan - 125-150,000 buys

So yeah, for a fighter like Tank making his PPV debut, why exactly would they be upset at the numbers he just did? He clearly outperformed fighters similar to him of the past. They would only be disappointed if they guaranteed him like $10 million, which I highly doubt they did. Espinoza has already said the full purse these fighters makes isn't all of SHO's responsibility. They have a set guarantee from SHO and then the rest comes from Haymon.

Tank is proving he is a ticket seller coast to coast and now his PPV debut surpassed the 200k amount, something GGG, Kovalev, Ward and Crawford were unable to do.

[KTFOKING]

I think that's about what Floyd's first fights were at?

Great numbers. Sold out the place...Great Times.

Tank is a big draw.

No, Mayweather did around 340k buys against Gatti......But that was against Gatti, who was a draw. And the fight happened in Gatti's backyard so Floyd wasn't really even the true A side of the fight.

The numbers for this PPV were solid. I actually predicted it doing a bit better, but not bad at all.

[Rick Taylor]

Yea, cuz how many of those buys were Santa Cruz fans I wonder.

probably every single one of those buys was a mexican/santa cruz fan

[Larry the boss]

Goes to show what boxing has come to when those numbers are considered 'good'.

it was the 1st time he headed a ppv..those are great numbers..you should look up others 1st time ppv numbers

[ralex]

Not bad. Not sure if I believe that

[TheBoxGod]

Solid numbers but not break out PPV star numbers, but it is his first PPV and no one has had above 500K first PPV numbers so..... but if he wants to stay on PPV he needs names from here on out, even mayweather when he wasnt fighting the best, he was fighting the most hyped up name at that moment, When Ortiz smoked Berto and looked amazing he picked him, when Maidana smoked broner and looked solid maywather picked him, etc etc wasnt the top names but they were hyped up momentum names. Thats what Tank needs hyped up momentum names.

[Gate keeper]

Lol at the “this isn’t what I want to believe so I’m not going to believe it” posts. People are so weak mentally nowadays.

Lol...so you're just going to ignore the objective premise which my argument is based on and assert that it's really just something I don't want. Yet I'm the one who is mentally weak. Like I always have to tell you guys, name calling is not a counter argument.

[rolshans]

Why wouldn't they be pleased? How many buys were you expecting from this fight? What did SHO guarantee for Davis and Leo anyways?

For reference:

Ward-Kovalev I - 160-165,000 buys
Ward-Kovalev 2 - 125-140,000 buys
GGG-Lemieux - 150,000 buys
GGG-Jacobs - 160-170,000 buys
Crawford vs Khan - 125-150,000 buys

So yeah, for a fighter like Tank making his PPV debut, why exactly would they be upset at the numbers he just did? He clearly outperformed fighters similar to him of the past. They would only be disappointed if they guaranteed him like $10 million, which I highly doubt they did. Espinoza has already said the full purse these fighters makes isn't all of SHO's responsibility. They have a set guarantee from SHO and then the rest comes from Haymon.

Tank is proving he is a ticket seller coast to coast and now his PPV debut surpassed the 200k amount, something GGG, Kovalev, Ward and Crawford were unable to do.

The PPVs you mentioned were disasters. I very much doubt they were PBC and Showtimes' execs frame of reference, or else they'd be fired.