David-Leo Santa Cruz PPV numbers

[Pigeons]

Really lol. So you’re saying people shelled out 75 bucks to watch Barrios? GTFOH.

I know at least 8 people that bought the PPV to watch Ryan Karl.

[Outwest Exp 355]

You are acting like 220K is staggering numbers. It’s just okay. Tank will eventually implode. He is in trouble yet again for a hit and run, not to mention the choking incident caught on video earlier this year. He is Broner 2.0, so don’t get too emotionally invested in him or his PPV numbers.

Except Tank can fight. Broner couldn’t fight for ****.

[GhostofDempsey]

Except Tank can fight. Broner couldn’t fight for ****.

Broner could fight, he just lost his discipline and hunger. Tank gets hit a lot. So far he has fought opponents with no power or past prime. If he fights Haney, Teo, Loma, or even Shakur he gets worked.

[Rick Taylor]

Broner could fight, he just lost his discipline and hunger. Tank gets hit a lot. So far he has fought opponents with no power or past prime. If he fights Haney, Teo, Loma, or even Shakur he gets worked.

thats a goddamn lie and you know it

[Goldie]

Lol...so you're just going to ignore the objective premise which my argument is based on and assert that it's really just something I don't want. Yet I'm the one who is mentally weak. Like I always have to tell you guys, name calling is not a counter argument.

There was nothing objective about anything you said. It was a bunch baseless BS hate portrayed as “speculation”. You literally started off saying “no chance these ppv numbers are accurate” but that’s objective? lol. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You sound like a clown.

[Goldie]

If he beats Garcia then he'll have a real belt at 135.



Both LSC n Mikey were small guys moving up to fight bigger guys. So i guess they did do hayman a favor

A lot of you are so ****** it’s funny lol.

[Gate keeper]

Initial reports are over 200k to 225k. Not sure where you are getting 300k from. And Tank was #1 in google trends the night of the fight. He also does much better ratings than anyone else on SHO and his live gate against Gamboa surpassed 2M....Which not many fighters can do stateside.

Other so called reports, no official statement as usual, had him trending between 250k - 300k. And Golovkin vs Lemeuix and Ward vs Kovalev did similar gates with nowhere near those sales and were much bigger fights with much more promotion and not during a pandemic, not even sure they were both $75 either. It's of course possible for sure Tank is capable of pulling those numbers but it is simply a part of an ongoing trend of outlier PPV numbers from PBC PPVs. In Errol Spence's first PPV, he did better numbers than Canelo vs Lara and Angelo at a higher price. That's almost impossible to believe and there's more examples like that. And no other US PPVs in recent memory not by PBC has even come close to the majority of PBC's recent numbers even when they're much bigger fights. PPV gate wise, Tank is not even too far off from Joshua PPV numbers, if not having surpassed some of them. It simply doesn't add up as to how PBC alone is always pulling off some PPV miracle non-PBC organizations have rarely been able to do now or in the past.

[Gate keeper]

There was nothing objective about anything you said. It was a bunch baseless BS hate portrayed as “speculation”. You literally started off saying “no chance these ppv numbers are accurate” but that’s objective? lol. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You sound like a clown.

Yes obviously the no chance part was my opinion. The objective part was my comparison between Tank pulling off Canelo numbers despite being way less popular as well the fact that sales would probably be less due to a pandemic and the price of the ppv is higher and of course sales are always expected to go down when the price goes higher. And then there's the trend of the outlier ppv performances from PBC compared to non-PBC organizations in the modern era. An objective counter argument would involve showing how Tank or PBC's ppv numbers are not an outlier or if they are, explaining why.

[Goldie]

Yes obviously the no chance part was my opinion. The objective part was my comparison between Tank pulling off Canelo numbers despite being way less popular as well the fact that sales would probably be less due to a pandemic and the price of the ppv is higher and of course sales are always expected to go down when the price goes higher. And then there's the trend of the outlier ppv performances from PBC compared to non-PBC organizations in the modern era. An objective counter argument would involve showing how Tank or PBC's ppv numbers are not an outlier or if they are, explaining why.

Again, nothing on the bold is “objective”. You’re clearly biased against tank and pbc and that’s the root of your stance here.

“Tank pulling off Canelo numbers despite being way less popular as well the fact that sales would probably be less due to a pandemic”

You don’t even know what a “fact” is dude. You don’t use words like “probably” when discussing facts. It’s not a fact that ppv sales will all be down during this pandemic. That doesn’t even make logical sense seeing as how people still can’t attend fights or gather in bars/restaurants for viewing parties. It would make sense that more ppl would opt to buy a boxing ppv now because of those factors. Tank has already shown that he’s a draw by headlining sold out events so I don’t see how it’s impossible that those numbers are true. You haven’t made any objective logical arguments. You’re just blindly hating. Your position isn’t based on anything except your biased personal feelings.

[Gate keeper]

Again, nothing on the bold is “objective”. You’re clearly biased against tank and pbc and that’s the root of your stance here.

“Tank pulling off Canelo numbers despite being way less popular as well the fact that sales would probably be less due to a pandemic”

You don’t even know what a “fact” is dude. You don’t use words like “probably” when discussing facts. It’s not a fact that ppv sales will all be down during this pandemic. That doesn’t even make logical sense seeing as how people still can’t attend fights or gather in bars/restaurants for viewing parties. It would make sense that more ppl would opt to buy a boxing ppv now because of those factors. Tank has already shown that he’s a draw by headlining sold out events so I don’t see how it’s impossible that those numbers are true. You haven’t made any objective logical arguments. You’re just blindly hating. Your position isn’t based on anything except your biased personal feelings.

Lol...you absolutely can use probably when discussing facts as is done with basically the entire theory of statistics. And I of course didn't say they'd all be down due to a pandemic, I said probably due to the number of job losses and lower US GDP. It is simply a fact there is less money available for disposable income in our economy overall due to the pandemic. Now you argue that less people going out is a reason why they may buy more in a pandemic, perhaps. But at $75 per view combined with the lower disposable income, as well as the fact the more places are opening up plus the same, perhaps even more tempting now, illegal streaming that has hurt ppv sales for years plus the lack of promotional build up due to pandemic, I argue massively offsets any bump that might come from less bars being open for PPV. Now yes that assertion will require polling research as would your assertion but that's my take on the facts.

And historically selling out events is not indicative of strong PPV sales because tickets prices simply change to ensure a sold out event. Also historically lower weight fighters haven't been huge ppv draws compared to fighters welter and above, again just a fact. And now Tank does it in his first PPV amid a pandemic at $75 against Santa Cruz? But historically, how would you rate the commonalty of a super featherweight fighter selling 250k PPVs that, in your opinion, is a around or close to Tanks level of popularity for what might be considered a relatively high price for a sports ppv of the era? Would you say it is fairly common, rare or normal? Your honest opinion, there's no right or wrong answer. And as my argument also hinges on the trend of other such occurrences with PBC, we can do this for each PPV I claim demonstrates a statistical outlier and you can then either explain why they're not outliers, as in they've happened before, or explain the unique conditions that led to such outliers in favor of PBC. But first we can start with Tank.

And not that I really need to respond to your subjectivity argument, but I have nothing against Tank. I like him but that doesn't mean I'm just going to ignore any PPV numbers of his that continue a trend of statistical outliers that is unique to PBC.