More Skilled Floyd or Roy

[elfag]

I don't think that's quite right. Jones was as technically sound as he needed to be. If he had been a naturally slower and normal fighter, he'd have used all the technical skills he undoubtedly had.

Did you ever read his story of how and what his father did to make him what he became. His father treated him brutally, like an animal for years,. He was not likely to miss teaching him the fundamentals AND making sure he knew them from A to Z. He could have been the classic style boxer but his magnificently reactive sound-barrier-breaking speed was there to be used.

AND above all...don't forget he was a natural SHOWMAN. In all his fights he showboated as he wished. He was Nr. Entertainment.

So you see, I have a considerable reason to disagree with you. s for Mayweather's brittle hands, they only became brittle in later years, that is, if they ever really were.....I never heard of him at any time breaking a bone and having to cancel a fight over it. Knowing him, if he really had brittle, swollen, bruised hands, he would take the first opportunity to have them photographed and shown on prime-time news.

Jones wasnt technically sound, he just got away with it based on his style. He kept his hands low to bait counters and when he got to mid 30s and his reflexes faded he couldnt keep up anymore. He also always had a weakness for inside fighting and fighting off the ropes but his speed and footwork kept him from it being too big a problem when he was young.

people like to take "not techincally sound" to mean no ring IQ. no, jones had ring IQ and knew how to bait his opponents, he chose to take a higher risk style and never developed other defensive habits, upper body movement is a defense but he was unconventional, didnt develop a conventional defense and that hurt him when he aged.


Floyds hands were well documented, he fought 1/3 or more of a fight south paw early on after hurting his hand. His only official knockdown is from hurting his hand. He showed his hands multiple times after fights, on 24/7, he gets TUEs for lidocane injections, the history is well known and documented. You can go look it all up you havent been paying attention.

[Tails]

Floyd by a mile. Even Pacquiao is more skilled than Roy ever was.

It is not a shot at Roy Jones but it is the simple truth. Roy Jones main attribute was his massive speed and reflex advantage which both Mayweather and Pacquiao enjoyed as well. The only difference though is that when theirs diminished they adapted and started relying on experience and the skill they developed over the decades.

Roy Jones continued to fight in a style like he was still in his physical prime. That to me shows a major flaw in his skillset.

Bernard Hopkins had more skill as well because he knew how to adjust to his aging body even though at their respective primes he was not going to be able to overcome Roy's athletic gifts.

[Larry the boss]

Floyd was far more skilled..Roy was more naturally talented

[elfag]

Consistent in winning?? Lol. He was still beating p4p fighters by wide margin well past his prime.

thats the thing, floyd was so good that he had people claiming he was still prime as a 38 year old welterweight. He was so good that he seemed timeless, he was so good that even his detractors seemed to think he hadnt aged at all.

[QueensburyRules]

The two greatest talents in recent boxing times.

Who is more skilled

- -More Dum U or a frog?

Floydy more skilled in the stink department, and Roy in the application of natural talents.

Manny more skilled in the actual application of fighting to rouse the international cheers of the people.

[GrandpaBernard]

So Old Man Floyd > Old Man Roy

But Young Roy > Young Floyd

[sunny31]

Emmuel Steward during the Baldomir fight, basically stated that Roy Jones was better than Mayweather offensively 'In different words of course'.

But yes peak for peak, Roy Jones has executed higher performance levels than Floyd Mayweather 'Imagine what would happen to a 168-175 version of Ricky Hatton against Roy Jones Junior? Stylistically, Jones would most likely blast him out within a few rounds'.

Note: And I rate Ricky Hatton highly, one of the best to come out of the UK 'I just think stylistically, Jones would take him apart real quick'.

I hear what you're saying, people just latch on to what other trainers, professionals have said. Roy was super skilful but I think if you're comparing to Floyd, then 100% Floyd was more skilled. He had more answers to more problems in the ring, he was adaptable.

You are correct though Roy was a better offensive fighter, way more explosive and actually his explosive-ness acted as defence because you had to be super careful attacking Roy, he wouldn't just make you look sill, he might take your lights out. But maybe also his incredible talent, particularly that athletiscm and explosiveness meant he didnt have to perfect certain aspects of his game, where Floyd wasnt so explosive and had to find ways to neutralise fighters and different ways to beat them.

I think I agree with the majority, Roy more talented (higher peak) Floyd more skilled.

But you're absolutely right to check anyone who says Roy wasnt skilled, smart or technical...absolute nonsense

[sunny31]

[QUOTE=el***;20847060]Jones wasnt technically sound, he just got away with it based on his style. He kept his hands low to bait counters and when he got to mid 30s and his reflexes faded he couldnt keep up anymore. He also always had a weakness for inside fighting and fighting off the ropes but his speed and footwork kept him from it being too big a problem when he was young.

people like to take "not techincally sound" to mean no ring IQ. no, jones had ring IQ and knew how to bait his opponents, he chose to take a higher risk style and never developed other defensive habits, upper body movement is a defense but he was unconventional, didnt develop a conventional defense and that hurt him when he aged.


Floyds hands were well documented, he fought 1/3 or more of a fight south paw early on after hurting his hand. His only official knockdown is from hurting his hand. He showed his hands multiple times after fights, on 24/7, he gets TUEs for lidocane injections, the history is well known and documented. You can go look it all up you havent been paying attention.[/QUOTE]

Crazy.......

He wasnt Naseem hamed, he actually did most things very tight and correct

You sound a bit naive here

[Rick Taylor]

May. There were no flaws in his game. RJJ mostly got by by being more athletic.

then why did he get beat up by c-level plodders like maidana and castillo?

[hugh grant]

thats the thing, floyd was so good that he had people claiming he was still prime as a 38 year old welterweight. He was so good that he seemed timeless, he was so good that even his detractors seemed to think he hadnt aged at all.

You sure about this. Floyd fans say Floyd was more past it than Pac when they fought