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  • lolpz
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    #21
    Originally posted by edgarg
    Athletic.....??What about his killer KO punch in either hand, what about his boxing IQ which was very high, what about his dazzling speed and footwork.. You say athletic...Roger bannister was athletic... Roy Jones was a super top quality fighter.

    Mayweather was a safetcy first guy who bored people to tears, so that they got up and walked out at his fights. Which incidentally was commented on by Larry Merchant during a fight. He also cherrypicked, and not least, avoided certain fighters, as well as getting a few decisions from his pet judges that he didn't deserve. As well he always made sure he had a good advantage over everybody he fought, or else he didn't fight. When he was at 130 was when he was at his best. After that it wa sheer cunning and dubious opponent selection.

    Jones, clearly outclassed every one of his opponents however good until he made that silly move of going down from heavy to light heavy
    Floyd was ducked by every top fighter at 130 and 135 pretty much....shows how little you know.

    Was ducked at 140 by Kosta Tzyu as well.

    It wasn’t until Floyd got to 147 and 154 where he picked certain guys, and that was because he was after the biggest paychecks at that point due to fighting much bigger guys and his hand problems becoming major.

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    • SplitSecond
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      #22
      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
      The myth that Roy Jones Junior was just a athlete, is complete and utter nonsense 'Roy Jones Junior had some serious skills'.

      I know for sure he was a better more creative combination puncher than Mayweather, and hand faster processing speed inside of the ring 'This gave him the appearance of not being choreographed like Mayweather, Mayweather was like a algorithm inside of the ring'.

      Jones for sure had a better offense, where as Mayweather had a better defense.

      Tyson Fury relies a lot on his athleticism, does a lot of things not text book from my observation 'Fury does not even throw his punches properly on the inside, squares himself up constantly'.

      But like Roy Jones Junior 'Fury has a incredible fast processing speed, reasoning skills inside of the ring' and this gives him the appearance of free-styling, and not being choreographed.

      When people state that a boxer is not technically sound 'They use these terminologies to try and appear like they know what they are talking about' it also glorifies SIMPLE, non-creative boring fighters.

      It takes technique to throw the kind of combinations Roy Jones would throw, it takes technique to invade the punches he would invade, or get off his offense and create opportunities with lightening fast processing speed 'Those are the facts'.

      Roy Jones is still technically gifted now, he still does things more impressive now than fighters who are active 'It is just that his durability and body is slightly wrecked'.
      I don’t think there was anything Mayweather was better at doing than Roy Jones imo. He fell suddenly, coincidentally following a big drop of muscle. But before then, even comparing defense, Jones was hit much less.

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      • hugh grant
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        #23
        Floyd has more ability in not being hit. Rjj had more ability hitting people

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        • PRINCEKOOL
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          #24
          Originally posted by SplitSecond
          I don’t think there was anything Mayweather was better at doing than Roy Jones imo. He fell suddenly, coincidentally following a big drop of muscle. But before then, even comparing defense, Jones was hit much less.
          Emmuel Steward during the Baldomir fight, basically stated that Roy Jones was better than Mayweather offensively 'In different words of course'.

          But yes peak for peak, Roy Jones has executed higher performance levels than Floyd Mayweather 'Imagine what would happen to a 168-175 version of Ricky Hatton against Roy Jones Junior? Stylistically, Jones would most likely blast him out within a few rounds'.

          Note: And I rate Ricky Hatton highly, one of the best to come out of the UK 'I just think stylistically, Jones would take him apart real quick'.

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          • JTfloyd
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            #25
            Floyd, and it's not close. Roy is a freak of nature that had all time great talent and the discipline to maximize it. But as far as skills though, Floyd's remained consistent even when he was way past his prime. Roy on the other hand, as soon as his super-human ability started to fade (expedited by dropping from heavy to light-heavy), his lack of skills was immediately noticeable.

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            • PRINCEKOOL
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              #26
              Originally posted by JTfloyd
              Floyd, and it's not close. Roy is a freak of nature that had all time great talent and the discipline to maximize it. But as far as skills though, Floyd's remained consistent even when he was way past his prime. Roy on the other hand, as soon as his super-human ability started to fade (expedited by dropping from heavy to light-heavy), his lack of skills was immediately noticeable.
              Consistent in what? He could hardly throw combinations near the end of his career, Mayweather just like Roy Jones relied on his athleticism 'Most fighters do, it is a myth that technique ALONE can create greatness'.

              Hughie fury is a fighter who can pretty much do everything, but he does not quite have the innate strength of Tyson Fury 'Therefore he is struggling with fighters who he should be beating easy'.

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              • Kagami Taiga
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                #27
                I mean this question is easy to answer. When both of them lost thier freakish athleticism, Floyd was still considered the P4P best fighter in the world. Roy on the other hand, completely fell off the cliff. All those bad habits suddenly became amplified and as boxing is a game of inches, that minute slowdown was enough to make him less than what he was.

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                • Kagami Taiga
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
                  Consistent in what? He could hardly throw combinations near the end of his career, Mayweather just like Roy Jones relied on his athleticism 'Most fighters do, it is a myth that technique ALONE can create greatness'.

                  Hughie fury is a fighter who can pretty much do everything, but he does not quite have the innate strength of Tyson Fury 'Therefore he is struggling with fighters who he should be beating easy'.
                  Consistent in winning?? Lol. He was still beating p4p fighters by wide margin well past his prime.

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                  • KidDinamita
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                    #29
                    Skill - Mayweather
                    Athleticism - Roy

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                    • GhostofDempsey
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                      #30
                      Floyd had more polished boxing skills. Roy relied a lot on his reflexes. As they aged, Floyd made adjustments (mostly clinching and running) while Roy did not. That's why Roy started getting KO'd, he could no longer rely on reflexes and fight with his hands at his sides. Similar to Ali in that respect.

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