Comments Thread For: The WBC's Latest Plan To Redraw Boxing History is Horribly Short-Sighted

[ShoulderRoll]

That's all good in theory but not in practise.

One day weigh ins were actually brought in for weight reasons.

Like for example, your assumptions is that maybe a guy like Jarret Hurd will move up to 160 or 168 when same day weigh ins are brought in.

But in practise it won't necessarily be like that. Hurd might just decide to have longer camps and still fight at 154lbs.

But that poses a risk of him fighting with complete dehydration without the ability to rehydrate over a night, and puts his health at even greater risk.

This was the reason one day weigh ins were brought in in the first place, because fighters back then were still trying to squeeze into weight and it was more dangerous for them that way.

One day weigh ins are much safer for the fighters.

They had same day weigh-ins for decades and for thousands of fights.

It worked fine then and can work fine now.

If a fighter can't win without putting on an extra 10-20 pounds on fight night then he shouldn't be in that weight class.

[The D3vil]

Don't mess with boxing history and tradition. Leave the heavyweight division as it is and has been since John L. Sullivan.

If anything bring back same day weigh-ins and 15 round fights. You will see weights come down real quick.

Excess size would be a handicap instead of an advantage if we go back to the old ways.

[DeeMoney]

In general, Im actually good with them adding a new weight class from time to time just under heavyweight (which should always be the name of the uncapped weight class). Not writing a fan of all the new jr or super classes (not the name, just the premise), but having a new sub heavy weight class added is good.

Yes, I know Primo Carnera was beast and he fought nearly 100 years ago. But he also didnt have the athleticism of modern super heavies. Thanks to improved training techniques we have these fighters who weigh in at 240+ yet can move, box, and be athletes. To expect fighters at 215 to consistently fight against other good fighters, who outweigh them by over 15% is to ignore weight class. Would we expect a great lightweight to beat a decent middleweight fighting at 135? Because in essence thats what we expect of fighter whose best weight is in that 210s range to do against super heavies.

An 8-10% increase in weight is what existed with the original weight classes. Cruiserweight is currently nearly a 15% increase over Light Heavy. If we added a new weight class at 225 (a 13% increase above Cruiser) that would give some good fighters an opportunity to compete at the highest level.

The real question is if we have enough good fighters above the 225 mark to keep heavyweight relevant? That being written, this is not favoring the idea of more belts- 1 champ per division is perfect- rather that when the time comes, we should add a new weight class.

[Silver Spear]

They had same day weigh-ins for decades and for thousands of fights.

It worked fine then and can work fine now.

If a fighter can't win without putting on an extra 10-20 pounds on fight night then he shouldn't be in that weight class.

People in sports will always be looking for an edge to win. Whether it be PED's, secretly taping the opponents practice etc. It happens in every sport and will continue to happen in every sport because they are getting paid to perform and deliver.

I am all for whatever the fighters feel is fine. They should decide when the weigh in should take place and agree between them and have it stipulated in the contract. We have one organization that has one rule, then we have the athletic commission with another rule then we may have another rule in the contract.

Too many hands in the cookie jar.

[Zaroku]

I’m hoping some rich bastards drive boxing into a best fights best based on fans ability to pay.

It would be corrupted like our gov in da USA!

[4truth]

This all started when they decided to force minimums on HW.

Forever and a day a MW could fight at HW weighing their MW weight and as long as they do well no one gives a ****.


To protect those itty bitty "HWs" would imply there is an era where MW to HW was dangerous and people got hurt or killed because of the lack of minimal at HW. That era doesn't exist.

Ever since then more and more exclusion has been placed on the HW division as it drifts farther and farther from the Dempsey era of international hysteria.

The closest we've been to Dempsey since Dempsey are easily Ali and Tyson, neither of which were big men for their eras.


Maybe, just maybe, the whole reason why **** like Wlad happens is because they've forced to pool of talent to be nothing but fat ****s who carry jelly to be a HW.


The division will never be what it once was because there's no point. It went from king of boxing to king of fat ****s despite the smaller end of the division consistently carrying the excitement in the division. Let's bump that min up some more....that'll bring more consistent competition...excitement....sure...been working so ****ing well so far.

I have yet to read this anywhere, which doesn't mean much to be honest BUT as far a I know there are still no minimum weights in any division and this rule would not impose any. Has this changed and if so when? I've never in my life seen a weigh-in where someone has got to drink water or eat a sandwich to make weight.

[Marchegiano]

I have yet to read this anywhere, which doesn't mean much to be honest BUT as far a I know there are still no minimum weights in any division and this rule would not impose any. Has this changed and if so when? I've never in my life seen a weigh-in where someone has got to drink water or eat a sandwich to make weight.

Kind of, I actually made a thread about it a while back. I'm going to fish for that because it'll have a lot of links and solid info where as from the cuff is basically useless.

In the meantime, as I remember it, it's often said there is no rule because it isn't a rule it's a law actually.

The only thing that prevents someone doing it is the fact that they can't do it in the US. You can see tiny people fight giant people in Japan though.

In fact, even though HW has no upper limit it's still difficult to get commissions to sign off on some HW fights in the US because it's illegal to have more than 60lbs size disparity regardless of rules or divisional limits.

So, even in the perfectly normal 210 lean vs 300 fat, we've seen just a ton, the promoters and bodies actually work harder to make those fights happen because they're a bit illegal.

I'll find it, some 1920s law. Brought fights to a finish to an end, made doctors a part of boxing, designated size disparity allowances, and, I'm pretty sure it forces under 20 year olds to fight less than 21+ in a year. It's interesting.

[joe strong]

Tyson Fury
Anthony Joshua
Oleksandyr Usyk
Deontay Wilder
Dillian Whyte
Andy Ruiz
Joseph parker
Povetkin
Pulev
Michael Hunter
Filip Hrgovic
Agit Kabayel
Hughie Fury
Derek Chisora
Luis Ortiz
Joe Joyce
Daniel Dubois
Tony Yoka
Efe Ajagba
Otto Wallin
Oscar Rivas
Ivan Dychko
Junior Fa



there isnt another division in boxing with as much depth..


you have upcoming guys who will easily replace the old.

David Adeleye
Jalolov
Babic
Fabio Wadley
Jared Anderson

Maybe i’m a little hard on the division but a lot of the top guys are in their late 30s. The younger guys are not fighting each other too often. I wish all tge names you listed simply fought each other especially the guys under 30. I miss the 90s when everyone fought each other & sometimes more than once. A loss didn’t end a guys career. There was so many great fights. Top 20 guys all fought & if they lost they got back at it against another solid opponent.

[Inspired]

Maybe i’m a little hard on the division but a lot of the top guys are in their late 30s. The younger guys are not fighting each other too often. I wish all tge names you listed simply fought each other especially the guys under 30. I miss the 90s when everyone fought each other & sometimes more than once. A loss didn’t end a guys career. There was so many great fights. Top 20 guys all fought & if they lost they got back at it against another solid opponent.

That's what we all want.
Matchroom fights have done that though
AJ Vs Whyte
AJ Vs Parker
AJ Vs povetkin
Whyte Vs Parker
Whyte Vs povetkin
Whyte Vs Rivas
Whyte Vs chisora
Hunter Vs povetkin
Hughie fury Vs Povetkin
Usyk Vs chisora
Chisora Vs takam
Parker Vs fa (December 12)

It's Al haymon giving us mostly dross. He just let yoka and ajagba go...top rank signed them.

Fights will happen...plenty of demand for them here. That now Inc crossover matchroom Vs Queensbury
Of course were getting
Dubois Vs Joe Joyce soon

As for 90s
Tyson Vs Lennox didn't happen in the 90s and there weren't this many big names. Lewis Vs bowe didn't happen.

[joe strong]

That's what we all want.
Matchroom fights have done that though
AJ Vs Whyte
AJ Vs Parker
AJ Vs povetkin
Whyte Vs Parker
Whyte Vs povetkin
Whyte Vs Rivas
Whyte Vs chisora
Hunter Vs povetkin
Hughie fury Vs Povetkin
Usyk Vs chisora
Chisora Vs takam
Parker Vs fa (December 12)

It's Al haymon giving us mostly dross. He just let yoka and ajagba go...top rank signed them.

Fights will happen...plenty of demand for them here. That now Inc crossover matchroom Vs Queensbury
Of course were getting
Dubois Vs Joe Joyce soon

As for 90s
Tyson Vs Lennox didn't happen in the 90s and there weren't this many big names. Lewis Vs bowe didn't happen.

Matchroom has put on some good fights but if you look at that list it's 8 guys. The best card in the last while for HWs was Ruiz/Joshua 2. Whyte/Wach, Povetkin/Hunter, Hrgovic/Molina. I want more cards like that. Personally in the 90s there was lots of names in my opinion plus the second tier top 11-25 all mixed it up too. Don King had a bigger role then & his cards were pretty solid when HWs were involved. Everyone fought each other to get in line for a shot at the big 3 Tyson, Holyfield Lewis). Even if they didn't have a belt you were getting paid. Joshua is the cash now. Klitschko before him but in the 90s Tyson & Holyfield fights were on PPV. The undercards would always have important HW fights. HBO had boxing after dark which showcased lots of HW fights. There were a few fights that never happened (Lewis/Bowe) & a few that happened too late (Tyson/Lewis in early 2000s). The 90s era of fighters went into the early 2000s. I call 2004 on AL (After Lennox). I live in Canada so I have to find fights on the internet now. Most of the top HWs are in europe. I get the PBC & odd ESPN cards but not too many good HW fights on those platforms as you said. Most of the fights I see now I already know the result. I try to avoid seeing the results in Europe before finding them on the internet but not always successful as many get blocked on youtube & dailymotion.