My confidence in Joshua has gone down drastically

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    #71
    Originally posted by LacedUp
    I agree. As I said in the OP he did what he needed to do, but I just wasn't impressed by it.

    He didn't assert himself at any point in the fight. Everyone watching that fight prayed AJ didn't get touched because we knew he'd be stiffed.

    That's why my confidence has gone down so much. he looked incredible weak and fragile. comparing it to the universal soldier who smashed klitschko.. like night and day.
    I genuinely think that he looked a bit scared, you could see it in his eyes.

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      #72
      Originally posted by LacedUp
      I agree. As I said in the OP he did what he needed to do, but I just wasn't impressed by it.

      He didn't assert himself at any point in the fight. Everyone watching that fight prayed AJ didn't get touched because we knew he'd be stiffed.

      That's why my confidence has gone down so much. he looked incredible weak and fragile. comparing it to the universal soldier who smashed klitschko.. like night and day.
      I get what you're saying and I think he did try to assert himself early on, especially when he cut Ruiz in the 1st or 2nd round. It's just that Andy was still dangerous and you're right, AJ didn't seem eager to go through the fire like he did against Wlad Klitschko. I also think it just wasn't necessary since Wlad was in excellent shape, unlike Ruiz who was woefully unprepared.

      I'm sure his chin will be tested again and we will see how he responds. In the meantime he did what he had to do like you said and I'm curious to see if he's more aggressive against Pulev.

      Pulev doesn't have fast hands like Andy Ruiz so if AJ is still tentative then I will agree that he's become gunshy.

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        #73
        Originally posted by LacedUp
        Fury didn't '****' and if you think he did, YDKSAB.

        Also, Fury took it to the most dangerous guy in the division, supposedly. AJ ran from a guy who recently was ranked outside the top 10 and largely forgotten.

        I'm sure you can see the difference.
        I do see the difference. The difference is, Fury took steroids and got caught. And he all of a sudden he shows up to the Wilder rematch at 273 and strong with no one questioning it?? Also, AJ pitched a shut out against Ruiz and outlanded him 2 to 1. Wilder was never the most dangerous guy in the division, just the most overrated from fighting bums the entire time. That's why he wouldn't fight AJ. Not even for 120 million. And don't forget, Fury declined to fight AJ too. He chose to instead fight Wilder.

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          #74
          Originally posted by LacedUp
          He's literally taken the two top punchers in history and is still undefeated.
          Two top punchers in history? Right.

          And yet the likes of Cunningham can knock him down but that’s irrelevant?

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            #75
            He fought scared to me - at the very least, he was EXTREMELY uncomfortable in that style. The strained look on his face told me all I needed to know

            If you're a fan, it sucks that a HW had to take on that tact for an anticipated rematch where he was beaten up and embarrassed like he was in the first fight....BUT, it could go quite a ways for him.

            He won't be that uncomfortable doing that next time IMO - even though I still don't think he will never be all that fluid or limber in there...so it may never "look" natural, but now it's something he may be able to draw on.

            The sort of prancing lateral movement he employed in the rematch was better than the one-two awkward side step he was taking in the first fight even though it made him look like a ballerina. He needs that because he's been taking some big shots...I think that Povetkin fight he took more flush shots that ppl were willing to admit. Povetkin landed several of his patented left hook and even some right hands (although a lot were deflected). Wlad got him, Paker not so much but people can argue about the rf in that fight...obviously Ruiz touched him up. Pulev could hurt him too, yeah
            Last edited by LA_2_Vegas; 09-04-2020, 03:13 PM.

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              #76
              Originally posted by LacedUp
              Fury didn't '****' and if you think he did, YDKSAB.

              Also, Fury took it to the most dangerous guy in the division, supposedly. AJ ran from a guy who recently was ranked outside the top 10 and largely forgotten.

              I'm sure you can see the difference.

              Well said.

              I think AJ needs to full focus on Pulev too, as me not look ahead to Fury.

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                #77
                Originally posted by Kezzer
                Two top punchers in history? Right.

                And yet the likes of Cunningham can knock him down but that’s irrelevant?

                It is irrelevant. As anyone can be kocked down by a solid shot on the button, and Fury speaks back up and went to war. People keep bringing this up as if Fury was stopped or badly hurt in that fight. It was a flash knockdown. A sign of resiliency, heart, and CHIN. He also got up from an even harder shot from Wilder. If that doesn't mean you have a beard, then what does?having a chin doesn't mean you don't get knocked down it means you don't get knocked out.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by LacedUp
                  I'm a fan of both AJ and Fury.

                  Is that ok with you?

                  Of course, but I'd still love to be humored as to what on earth (or elsewhere) made you ever think AJ was more than ordinary.


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                  • Kezzer
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by LoadedWraps

                    It is irrelevant. As anyone can be kocked down by a solid shot on the button, and Fury speaks back up and went to war. People keep bringing this up as if Fury was stopped or badly hurt in that fight. It was a flash knockdown. A sign of resiliency, heart, and CHIN. He also got up from an even harder shot from Wilder. If that doesn't mean you have a beard, then what does?having a chin doesn't mean you don't get knocked down it means you don't get knocked out.
                    In which case by the same definition you can argue exactly the same for Joshua.

                    Results may have gone fury’s way but there is absolutely no doubting that he could lose a fight from one of these one off punchers, Infact he could easily have lost the first wilder fight, the cut in his warm up fight, the Cunningham fight , etc. People have short memories but he isn’t invincible at all.

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                      #80
                      Best I have seen him look personally.
                      He actually looked like a boxer with a ring IQ and some fluidity and looked far less robotic at a lower, more natural weight.

                      I'd like to see him box more like that if he ever fought Fury. Fury hasn't fought many that showed him feints and lateral movement and certainly none that was AJs size and length. Maybe try put his own spin on what U.S Cunningham did well.
                      To me at least its more interesting than him standing like a stone statue spamming one-twos cause if he tries that Fury will pick him to pieces like he did Wladimir.

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