My confidence in Joshua has gone down drastically

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  • REDEEMER
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    #81
    Originally posted by Kezzer
    Two top punchers in history? Right.

    And yet the likes of Cunningham can knock him down but that’s irrelevant?
    The OP is usually a decent poster but he’s a backwards kind of guy recently, he doesn’t want to bring up anything that contradicts him ,it’s hilarious how he deflects .

    I also never met a poster who says AJ isn’t impressing anymore but he picked Ruiz in the rematch ? That means there is no reasoning because he expected AJ to lose he even told me he doesn’t see how he wins but he maintained that he expected more ? How does this work ? Ha

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    • j0zef
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      #82
      I think it's pointless to judge Joshua off his last fight. He suffered a surprising loss against an underdog who was also a late replacement. Not only did he lose, but that whole fight was like a bad nightmare to him. He started off the same way he usually did, boxed well, knocked Andy down - only to fall apart 60 seconds later.

      That type of fight can mentally break a fighter, especially in an immediate rematch. It's the same reason several people are saying that Whyte is crazy going into rematch with Povetkin. Joshua did what he had to exercise his demons against Ruiz. We'll see how he fights Pulev. He doesn't have a granite chin, but he sprung back up each time so far. Maybe Andy Ruiz will become to Joshua what Brewster was for Wlad.

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      • LacedUp
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        #83
        Originally posted by Kezzer
        Two top punchers in history? Right.

        And yet the likes of Cunningham can knock him down but that’s irrelevant?
        What does that have to do with the facts i laid out? Did he or did he not twice have easy fights vs the two most devastating KO punchers in history?

        Let's say two top 5 of all times just to be kind.

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        • MUNG
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          #84
          confidence tends to wane when a guy avoids a big fight in wilder when it should have happened, joshua insisting on a flat fee for ages for wilder was a deal breaker not a smart move, then loses and wonders why it's happening to him on live tv and him and his promoter talk crap all the time, it's gets a bit tiresome, good fighter tho i will admit but not as good as fury...... he has one shot to silence the doubters, beat fury, until then stfu imo

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          • TheMyspaceDayz
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            #85
            You should be concerned if you’re an AJ fan. Nothing good came from that rematch. “He proved he can stick and move”? Oh, did he? Sticking and moving against a rotund Ruiz whose feet could barely move is something most top heavyweights could have done. No matter what way you spin it, too much respect was given and that points to a lack of confidence.

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              #86
              Originally posted by j0zef
              I think it's pointless to judge Joshua off his last fight. He suffered a surprising loss against an underdog who was also a late replacement. Not only did he lose, but that whole fight was like a bad nightmare to him. He started off the same way he usually did, boxed well, knocked Andy down - only to fall apart 60 seconds later.

              That type of fight can mentally break a fighter, especially in an immediate rematch. It's the same reason several people are saying that Whyte is crazy going into rematch with Povetkin. Joshua did what he had to exercise his demons against Ruiz. We'll see how he fights Pulev. He doesn't have a granite chin, but he sprung back up each time so far. Maybe Andy Ruiz will become to Joshua what Brewster was for Wlad.
              From a psychological perspective what Joshua achieved in his rematch with Ruiz Junior? Is something NONE of the top guys have done. Joshua was not sparked out with one punch, he was beaten in clear conclusive fashion by Ruiz Junior 'In a violent fight, were for the first time in his career he could not physically intimidate his opponent'.

              Tyson Fury has never experienced that type of test, and if he ever did? I honestly think he would retire.

              Joshua's performance technically was not great vs Ruiz Junior, but psychologically he Slayed a Dragon that night. I still believe Joshua is in a rebuilding phase, beating Ruiz Junior was just part 1 of that rebuilding phase etc

              Joshua now needs to bulldoze Pulev, to carry on this rebuilding phase.
              Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 09-05-2020, 11:25 AM.

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                #87
                Originally posted by REDEEMER
                The OP is usually a decent poster but he’s a backwards kind of guy recently, he doesn’t want to bring up anything that contradicts him ,it’s hilarious how he deflects .

                I also never met a poster who says AJ isn’t impressing anymore but he picked Ruiz in the rematch ? That means there is no reasoning because he expected AJ to lose he even told me he doesn’t see how he wins but he maintained that he expected more ? How does this work ? Ha
                Dude you're the dumbest ***ing guy Did you know I also picked Wilder to beat Fury in the rematch?

                People like you are the most annoying posters that exist. You're so much of a fanboy that when you see an objective post you believe it's subjective.

                Your mind simply can't comprehend that AJ's performance wasn't impressive to me. yet I wanted him to win and was happy when he did.

                But I wasn't impressed. How can you not understand that simple thing?

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by TheMyspaceDayz
                  You should be concerned if you’re an AJ fan. Nothing good came from that rematch. “He proved he can stick and move”? Oh, did he? Sticking and moving against a rotund Ruiz whose feet could barely move is something most top heavyweights could have done. No matter what way you spin it, too much respect was given and that points to a lack of confidence.
                  He looked OK sticking and moving imo. but it's not sustainable to him. He needs to be the bigger stronger guy in there, not running around scared.

                  But the most concerning is his ability to take a shot. He was terrified of a single punch landing and looked very uncomfortable and almost Amir Khan like when the punches came close. It could just be against Ruiz, recent defeat etc.

                  I guess time will tell.

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                  • LacedUp
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
                    From a psychological perspective what Joshua achieved in his rematch with Ruiz Junior? Is something NONE of the top guys have done. Joshua was not sparked out with one punch, he was beaten in clear conclusive fashion by Ruiz Junior 'In a violent fight, were for the first time in his career he could not physically intimidate his opponent'.

                    Tyson Fury has never experienced that type of test, and if he ever did? I honestly think he would retire.

                    Joshua's performance technically was not great vs Ruiz Junior, but psychologically he Slayed a Dragon that night. I still believe Joshua is in a rebuilding phase, beating Ruiz Junior was just part 1 of that rebuilding phase etc

                    Joshua now needs to bulldoze Pulev, to carry on this rebuilding phase.
                    Tyson Fury was knocked dead in the 12th round and came back up and beat the living **** out of Wilder in the rematch

                    Joshua definitely does need to bulldoze Pulev, and if he does then definitely some of the confidence will return. Right now, i think I and many other AJ fans are on the fence in regards to his ability to take a punch.

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                    • Kezzer
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by LacedUp
                      What does that have to do with the facts i laid out? Did he or did he not twice have easy fights vs the two most devastating KO punchers in history?

                      Let's say two top 5 of all times just to be kind.
                      No he didn’t have easy fights at all.
                      Klitschko could have done on points, you may not remember because overtime fury’s win has become more and more dominant but before the judges results people weren’t sure if fury had done enough or not for the win.

                      Wilder - the second fight - was a good win, of course it was. But then was Wallin a good win? Was schwarz a good win? You can’t just take a Lobsided view and claim everything good defines him but his bad performances don’t count.

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