Are there still posters who believe Wilder has concussive power?

[Tatabanya]

Povetkin was always going to beat any version of Wilder. He’s too crafty with power in both hands for Wilder.

Wilder is a shot boxer now and boxers like him never recover from that type of beating. He’s basically what Rid**** Bowe was after Golota destroyed him.

I tend to think that he's mentally finished indeed, and if that's true yes - he's shot.

But in regard the first half of your post: isn't Fury even craftier than Povetkin? And yet, in their first fight Wilder was one second away from knocking him out with one punch, after having been outboxed all night...

A puncher's chance can never be denied.

[Clegg]

Who in the division has more one punch power?

[Nash out]

Wilder knocks out anybody except Fury. I think he'd stop Joshua inside the first round.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Nonsense ... go review the Ortiz and Breazeale fights. Those weren't wide punches.

He has issues 98% of the time throwing straight punches and short compact punches '98% of his punches are launched miles from his opponent or they are very wide'.

Wilder was being out boxed by Ortiz.

[BangEM]

Wilder knocks out anybody except Fury. I think he'd stop Joshua inside the first round.

LMAOOO he couldn’t even stop the Polish cruiserweight that Chisora sparked out cold in 2 rds in 1 rd and was getting outboxed for like 7 rds.

Fury fans are the dumbest fans out there. Then again most of you are yanks, Northerners and gypos. So it isn’t shocking.

[MastaBlasta]

He has issues 98% of the time throwing straight punches and short compact punches '98% of his punches are launched miles from his opponent or they are very wide'.

Wilder was being out boxed by Ortiz.

Ortiz was ahead but Wilder boxed him well, otherwise Ortiz would have taken his head off (he was definitely trying). But boxing, timing, defending was what Wilder did the entire fight (though behind on points), and he caught Ortiz because he was very much "boxing" him and set up and tagged a crucial moment effectively. That was how Joe Louis was caught and defeated. That was no "wide" punch either ... very controlled and targeted. I know it doesn't fit the narrative of the "wild windmills" you Wilder haters like to espouse. But Wilder can box when he wants too, very effectively. He's been a bit too in love with his power of late admittedly.

"'98% of his punches are launched miles from his opponent" - What?? If that were true these other guys would have zero ability to STILL get KO'd by those punches wouldn't they? Even Fury was decked by those punches right? Something wrong with your logic son.

[Marchegiano]

It's really ****** to assume he doesn't.

But, what is even more dumb, as ****, is this idea that a back record equals a bad chin.

We just did the pick em for Yoka, a **** on average puncher, against Hammer, a journeyman who hardly ever got stopped. I am the only pick em player I noticed who went with a decision victory. Hammer has been KO'd by Wach. Quit against Fury and KO'd by Wach then UD's by Pov and Ortiz. Pov and Ortiz....y'all should not have expected Yoka to KO him but ya did.

Back to Wilder, Bermane Stiverne has been KO'd by a few fellas, only one shut off the lights and his name is Deontay

Dom has been KO'd only be elites and his Wilder loss saw Dom absolutely sprawled from one punch. Where as Joshua took a combination to leave him in a state where he had enough control over his body to keep his limbs tucked and even supporting him.

Ortiz was never even hurt in any of his fights until he met Wilder, twice.

Also, nothing about Joshua shows he has a chin. If Wilder were to KO Joshua all of a sudden his power is real, but, Joshua's just good, he's not tough.

Fury's not hard to put down himself. If Wilder were to put him down long enough to get ten does that mean he hits so hard or that Fury took him too lightly? Cunningham isn't exactly a KO artist, Pajkic is a stuntman with 5 KOs to his record.

Of the men who have eaten punches and proven they have a great chin I do not think the elites apply, I do not think KO'ing them proves more than KO'ing Ortiz, or Dom, or Bermane in terms of power. Proves he can deliver even against a great but doesn't prove he hits hard. The men Wilder has faced may not be Josh/Fury level but they do have proven chins where as anytime those two catch a tap they go down.

It's more impressive KO'ing a man flat who has never even been downed by a journeyman than it is KO'ing a fella whose been downed twice by journeymen who do not have KO records worth bragging about. Ortiz is probably the best name to have if you want to prove how hard you hit.

[IcefergBoxing]

Unless all of those guys were taking dives then yes I believe he does but if they were taking dives then he's just incredibly good at choreographing fight scenes.

[REDEEMER]

It's really ****** to assume he doesn't.

But, what is even more dumb, as ****, is this idea that a back record equals a bad chin.

We just did the pick em for Yoka, a **** on average puncher, against Hammer, a journeyman who hardly ever got stopped. I am the only pick em player I noticed who went with a decision victory. Hammer has been KO'd by Wach. Quit against Fury and KO'd by Wach then UD's by Pov and Ortiz. Pov and Ortiz....y'all should not have expected Yoka to KO him but ya did.

Back to Wilder, Bermane Stiverne has been KO'd by a few fellas, only one shut off the lights and his name is Deontay

Dom has been KO'd only be elites and his Wilder loss saw Dom absolutely sprawled from one punch. Where as Joshua took a combination to leave him in a state where he had enough control over his body to keep his limbs tucked and even supporting him.

Ortiz was never even hurt in any of his fights until he met Wilder, twice.

Also, nothing about Joshua shows he has a chin. If Wilder were to KO Joshua all of a sudden his power is real, but, Joshua's just good, he's not tough.

Fury's not hard to put down himself. If Wilder were to put him down long enough to get ten does that mean he hits so hard or that Fury took him too lightly? Cunningham isn't exactly a KO artist, Pajkic is a stuntman with 5 KOs to his record.

Of the men who have eaten punches and proven they have a great chin I do not think the elites apply, I do not think KO'ing them proves more than KO'ing Ortiz, or Dom, or Bermane in terms of power. Proves he can deliver even against a great but doesn't prove he hits hard. The men Wilder has faced may not be Josh/Fury level but they do have proven chins where as anytime those two catch a tap they go down.

It's more impressive KO'ing a man flat who has never even been downed by a journeyman than it is KO'ing a fella whose been downed twice by journeymen who do not have KO records worth bragging about. Ortiz is probably the best name to have if you want to prove how hard you hit.

Ortiz was nearly knocked down against Hammer and was just about to take a knee , everyone knows Ortiz is 5 years past his best and that’s when he fought Wilder or should I say Wilder fought him ? So on what planet is Ortiz a measurement of power when he never fought power punchers so there’s nothing to compare with a Wilder punch ? So how is that the best name ? Ha


Breazeale is actually a far better gage because he actually fought punchers Izu , Mansour, A.J , even that guy Negron was a decent puncher ,wouldn’t that have made more sense ?

Breazeale got up from Wilder ,he did not get up from A.J who wasn’t even trying to get him out of there quickly so those points are moot, Breazeale under Manny Robles was also a more competent fighter .

Breazeale would always have a chance against Wilder ,he can’t say that against A.J who would pick him apart and not worry about getting caught ,you said AJ wasn’t tough but he ate Breazeales shots easy while Wilder was rattled with just one glancing shot . You will see Wilder will potentiallly unraveling bec skills are needed at top level even if Wilder didn’t think so .

The best chins are actually Joe Joyce and Hrgovic either guy so I suspect Wilder will stay away from them ,he’s already experienced Hrgovic I find it very hard to believe he would chase the one .

[Nash out]

If there are still posters who still believes that crap after the chinny Fury took all his best shots, they need to slap themselves.

Povetkin actually punches harder than Wilder and Wilder is yet to knockout any half-decent boxer apart PBC jocks and tomato cans. LMAOOO.

He knocked out the much-avoided, slick Cuban southpaw Luis Ortiz, twice. Granted, Ortiz is still a bit young and raw, right now, but he's still a world-class operator. I think in ten years time Luis Ortiz could be the P4P number 1. He's just still a bit too young and raw right now to fully maximise his skills. Nash out.