Why can`t Crawford be the next Mayweather?

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  • Combat Talk Radio
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    #31
    Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
    He is black, American, undefeated, now welterweight, he has, lets say elite skills.

    Why is he not even close to Mayweather? What is his biggest problem?
    Floyd already answered this. It's all about priorities.

    Crawford wants to feast on people calling him #1 P4P, while collecting guaranteed $3 million per fight no matter who he fights.

    Floyd kept working and hustling to prove it - and was willing to accept B-Side to eventually earn it.



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      #32
      Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
      You think so?

      Floyd also fought manny Marquez Alvarez ODLH. They all proved their skills against harder competition than Crawford has had

      Based off what Crawford has proven I currently put him at the Miguel Cotto level. A very good fighter who shy of great

      But Miguel dared to be great
      The only debate would be prime Pacquiao & prime DLH (& I'm iffy on him I'm leaning towards no but I need to rewatch tape to rejogg my memory.) Pacquiao is so special you can never count him out. But if Bud makes Pacquiao adhere to Vada. Bud without a doubt in my mind! But Bud now is definitely better than the versions of them Floyd fought.

      As for Marquez Bud would probably stop him, he would no doubt beat him. Surprised that you named Marquez implying he's great but Cotto isn't. Shìììììttttt.. I think outside of his Pacquiao win Cotto has better ones. I favor Cotto over Marquez in a hypothetical fight.

      As for Canelo, Bud is definitely better than the version Floyd fought too & he's more skilled than him now. I've seen Canelo get outboxed for several rounds by several different opponents. Like Floyd himself said "he reminds me of myself." Bud has some Floyd in his game. So to me it's like comparing Floyd vs Canelo all over again.

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        #33
        Originally posted by revelated
        Floyd already answered this. It's all about priorities.

        Crawford wants to feast on people calling him #1 P4P, while collecting guaranteed $3 million per fight no matter who he fights.

        Floyd kept working and hustling to prove it - and was willing to accept B-Side to eventually earn it.



        Funny for years people cried about who Floyd was beating

        Now the same people genuinely have a guy who fights nobody on their hands

        These people got what they wanted

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          #34
          I think it was Led Zeppelins manager who said "Superstars are people who are talented at being talented."

          People love characters; be it the humble nice guy with the funny accent that brutally KOs guys, or the trash talking pretty boy millionaire who never loses.

          Guys like Crawford are small potatoes. They don't have "It." They can climb as high as possible by beating real stars. Juan Manuel Marquez is an example of someone who did that. Tim Bradley is another.

          And Crawford, by extending his contract with Top Rank, essentially has become Sven Ottke. He's off in another country, fighting nobodies.
          Last edited by paulf; 08-29-2020, 10:58 AM.

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            #35
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza
            What the ***** does this even mean?
            It means Mayweather was fortunate to not have Mayweather ruin the landscape for Mayweather before Mayweather arrived allowing Mayweather to fight people that fought people creating various stars and allowing Mayweather the chance to be one those stars.

            Pretty simple stuff.

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              #36
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza
              What the ***** does this even mean?
              Originally posted by meme_man
              I read it 3 times and still confused
              He's making a faulty comparison.

              He's saying that Floyd's strategy in who he fought when, is the reason for his rise.

              He's saying that Floyd never faced a threat or someone of equal danger and skill. Which we all know to be false.

              Zab Judah at that time was widely thought to be the guy to dethrone Floyd and he arguably is the only person to ever drop Floyd. But he failed because of his temper.

              Ricky Hatton was being pushed HEAVILY as unstoppable fresh off Kostya Tszyu. Again, his temper.

              Victor Ortiz off the war with Berto was 'eye test' defined and people assumed he would step up and trouble Floyd. Again, his temper.

              Carnelo was the top dog (or as NSB calls them, a 'young hungry lion') as far as current fighter drawing power when Floyd faced him. People didn't think he would dominate Floyd, but they certainly didn't expect a blowout loss. But Carnelo got frustrated and lost his temper.

              When Floyd fought De La Hoya people assumed that he was about to get exposed. No matter what you think of the outcome, "at the end of the day", Floyd's hand was raised against a guy he was not expected to beat.

              After Mosley's showing against Margacheato people assumed Floyd was in trouble. And yes, Mosley caught him with two beautiful shots - arguably some of the best work ever done on Floyd - and yet, Mosley got soundly outboxed and walked down.

              Then people talk about age. Floyd has been equal or older to nearly everyone he fought. It's an excuse.



              The truth of the matter is this.

              Floyd fought top draws, people with entire countries behind him, and Hall of Famers.

              Manny fought top draws, people with entire countries behind him, and Hall of Famers.

              Crawford fought guys that will be long forgotten in five years.


              That's the difference.

              Floyd excels against guys that lose their temper too easily. Which is why I laugh at the notion of Crawford beating Floyd even now when Crawford is fresh off getting two-pieced, wobbled and dropped by Kavaliauskas after losing his cool. Floyd would exploit the hell out of that temper because Crawford can't keep it in check. He can't.

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                #37
                If Floyd had stuck with TR he wouldn't be the Floyd he became. I'd argue TR doesn't fully promote black fighters with the same intensity they do non-black fighters or know how to promote anyone who's not doing a cardboard cutout SRL fan friendly type angle. I believe Arum has even stated Floyd saw how he could promote himself in a better way that Arum never saw or believed in til Floyd proved successful with it.

                Skills smills. Most elite level guys got the skills to be big stars, but capturing the hearts & minds of fans is a whole other thing & Bud doesn't seem to be able to do that. Ward couldn't really do it either. Manny & Floyd could.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Mister Wolf
                  Unlike Mayweather and most recently Broner, Crawford isn't interested in playing the role of "villainous coon" for financial gain. He has said this on more than one interview.
                  Idk about the racism angle to your remark, but the reality is Bud seems like he's kinda a ****head. He isn't acting like anything. He's doing him & just throwing a lil stank on it like Floyd, Broner, Mayorga, Camacho & so many "bad guys" in boxing. I've said the same thing about Kovalev, who also appears to be a natural ****head. If both of those guys just went a lil harder to being the villain they both would probably have generational wealth today (well with Kovalev's horrible contract situation maybe he'd still be short, but who knows).

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                    #39
                    Floyd fought 24 other world champions in 49 fights. Crawford has faced 8 in 36 fights.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by paulf
                      I think it was Led Zeppelins manager who said "Superstars are people who are talented at being talented."

                      People love characters; be it the humble nice guy with the funny accent that brutally KOs guys, or the trash talking pretty boy millionaire who never loses.

                      Guys like Crawford are small potatoes. They don't have "It." They can climb as high as possible by beating real stars. Juan Manuel Marquez is an example of someone who did that. Tim Bradley is another.

                      And Crawford, by extending his contract with Top Rank, essentially has become Sven Ottke. He's off in another country, fighting nobodies.
                      summed up perfectly

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