Name a win in boxing history that can’t be criticized

[daggum]

There isn’t one. Negative and jealous people can and will find a reason to criticise everything they don’t like. Look at Floyd. Every big win he’s ever had gets criticised. Haters find excuses for all his big wins. From Corrales to Castillo to De La Hoya to Marquez to Pacquiao. If you try hard enough you can find a reason to discredit anyone. That’s a valuable lesson you can learn from Mayweather. When you are the best people will constantly discredit you and throw shots at you because they hate the fact that you are successful and they are not. Simple as that.

People give credit when they want to and discredit when they want to. You can poke holes in anyone’s resume or best wins. For example if you beat a young hungry guy they say he doesn’t have enough experience. If you beat an older guy they will say he is too old. You can’t win with these kinds of people. If you walked on water they’d say you only did that because you can’t swim! Lol. Negative people are never satisfied and never will be. They are always unhappy.

so floyd waited for guys to age and get ko'd before fighting them or drained them at 152 because some people would discredit him anyway even if he beat better versions of them? that doenst sound like a very compelling argument toward his greatness. sounds like a variation of the "he would have won anyway" argument. we have to judge him based on what actually happened, not on what people might have said if he had done so and so. a lot of his fights his opponents werent at their best. sometimes that was no fault of floyds and sometimes it was.

[daggum]

That’s the truth. I’m a Floyd fan, got to see him live once. When people say he never fought anyone in their prime ( and people say that ) then using that same calculation it reduces so many other boxers careers at the same time. How long is someone’s “prime” ? Is it a specified age? Is it when they are deemed to be at their best skill wise? Can one person have a longer prime than someone else? Top boxers fight once or twice a year. Fights are hard to make, always have been. Everyone fighting are different ages. How does any fighter fight all their opponents in their supposed “prime” and somehow be always in their “prime” also so there’s no argument? It’s impossible. So many people use “Prime” Mike Tyson as an example, to the point kids today probably think that’s his first name. So if Mikes “Prime” was a two to three year window while he was so young how does that work into the calculations for everyone else? How many fighters are at the top at age 20? They say every fighter Floyd didn’t fight is the one who would beat him. These same people already got it wrong too many times to be valid. All picked Manny to win. They all picked Tyson to beat Holyfield too. Bet against Floyd, u lost. Can’t wait to hear about “mythical margarito”.

"Arum and Diaz say that the 'Pretty Boy' was offered in the neighborhood of $7 million to face Margarito. In what could best be described as a 'business move', the same guy who brazenly challenged the bigger Winky Wright decided to bypass Margarito, to collect nearly $4 million to spar with Sharmba Mitchell.

"Flat turned him down like you can not believe," Arum said of Mayweather when he was offered a chance at the WBO title. "Any time we raised his name, Mayweather went crazy."

its only a myth because floyd refused to fight him. i dont think anyone would be saying floyd ducked sharmba or judah coming off a loss.

[Blond Beast]

"Arum and Diaz say that the 'Pretty Boy' was offered in the neighborhood of $7 million to face Margarito. In what could best be described as a 'business move', the same guy who brazenly challenged the bigger Winky Wright decided to bypass Margarito, to collect nearly $4 million to spar with Sharmba Mitchell.

"Flat turned him down like you can not believe," Arum said of Mayweather when he was offered a chance at the WBO title. "Any time we raised his name, Mayweather went crazy."

its only a myth because floyd refused to fight him. i dont think anyone would be saying floyd ducked sharmba or judah coming off a loss.

In what world has every fighter fought all the guys we wanted them to? Seriously? Floyd fought so many top guys. Geez, look at Marciano’s resume. How many big names does Andre Ward have compared to Floyd? Floyd beat the guys that beat up Marg. So did u pick Floyd to win all his fights then? U pick him to beat Manny? Oscar? What’s your track record with picking Floyd fights? Be honest. If u got them right then I will give more credit to the idea that the one guy he didn’t fight was the guy he woulda lost to. I mean how bent out of shape can people get over him not fighting Margarito? In the end marg was a cheat and his career went downhill. So even if he did win nobody would be talking about it now. It’s not like people constantly gush about other fighters wins over Marg. If he didn’t fight Judah, people woulda speculated about that too. I was at that fight. It was a great card. Guess what Judah did pretty good for a while. Better than I bet u expected and better than a whole lot of other opponents I bet u thought woulda been a bigger challenge.

[LoadedWraps]

I’m going with Jack Johnson over Tommy Burns.

I have no idea how you criticize that victory.

I think every other victory in boxing history can be criticized. My evidence is this message board.

Thoughts?

I'll give you 3 off the rip.

Froch / Bute. Froch beat a hype job up in outstanding fashion.

Maidana / Broner. One of the greatest crow servings and deserved ass kickings in the history of boxing.

Floyd / JMM. Haters try and make this some weight cherry pick but JMM wanted the fight and moved up. One of the best counter punchers in the history of boxing against one of the best pure boxers in the history of boxing and Fooyd best him fair and square.

[TonyGe]

Hopkins over Trinidad... To some (not me - I was riding with Nard from the beginning of that middleweight tournament), Tito was gonna knock B-hop out - he was looking unstoppable, and had his Puerto Rican crowd firmly behind him in NYC, plus so many wanted to see Hopkins pay for the flag incident. The Executioner beat him up, beat him down, and knocked him out.

When the announced that Trinidad was favored over Hopkins going into that fight I thought I heard it wrong. To me it was obvious that Tito was not going to beat Bernard who was a true middleweight and too crafty.

[JK1700]

That’s the truth. I’m a Floyd fan, got to see him live once. When people say he never fought anyone in their prime ( and people say that ) then using that same calculation it reduces so many other boxers careers at the same time. How long is someone’s “prime” ? Is it a specified age? Is it when they are deemed to be at their best skill wise? Can one person have a longer prime than someone else? Top boxers fight once or twice a year. Fights are hard to make, always have been. Everyone fighting are different ages. How does any fighter fight all their opponents in their supposed “prime” and somehow be always in their “prime” also so there’s no argument? It’s impossible. So many people use “Prime” Mike Tyson as an example, to the point kids today probably think that’s his first name. So if Mikes “Prime” was a two to three year window while he was so young how does that work into the calculations for everyone else? How many fighters are at the top at age 20? They say every fighter Floyd didn’t fight is the one who would beat him. These same people already got it wrong too many times to be valid. All picked Manny to win. They all picked Tyson to beat Holyfield too. Bet against Floyd, u lost. Can’t wait to hear about “mythical margarito”.

Exactly people use “prime” as an excuse to paint whatever picture they want. Bernard Hopkins “prime” was in his late 30’s everyone is different. Some guys peak early, some in the middle and some late. Plus Floyd was “past prime” from 2007 onwards but he’s held to a totally different standard. His prime is supposed to last his whole career lol. I guess because he never lost they don’t need to make excuses for him, but they need excuses for why he beat all their favourite fighters one after another.

Oh you already know. “Prime” Mike Tyson and “prime” Manny Pacquiao would’ve beat everyone haha. Oh wait didn’t they both lose in their prime? Haha. People just love excuses and “prime” is a great way to justify all of their excuses. Plus people don’t understand the business of boxing and why certain fights didn’t happen. For example Floyd tried to fight Shane Mosley in 1999 and 2006 and Shane didn’t want the fight because he was a bigger name at that point. It was only once Floyd became boxing’s biggest cash cow and Shane went through a messy divorce that he suddenly decided he wanted the fight. Yet it’s Floyd’s fault that Shane wasn’t “prime anymore” despite the fact he was coming off one of his most impressive wins and Floyd was old too. Most fans don’t understand what goes on behind the scenes.

[JK1700]

Timothy Bradley Jr over Marquez, who was coming off the back of the best win of his career. Nobody can say JMM was past it, too old, too small. Great win for Bradley Jr and sealed his legacy (I don't believe he beat Pac).

Ward over Froch. Best two in the world (Froch proved that against Bute) fighting to crown a new lineal champion. Ward won comfortably against another fighter who will get in to HOF.

I watched it without commentary and while it was close I thought Marquez beat Bradley. If Tim won in convincing fashion I would probably agree. I always looked at him as a “very good” fighter rather than great. Nothing special.

I agree about Ward-Froch for sure though. It’s not just that he won but how he won and with a broken hand as well.

[LetOutTheCage]

Ali vs Foreman

[a.rihn]

Who was that guy who beat Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! blindfolded?

[siablo14]

I’m going with Jack Johnson over Tommy Burns.

I have no idea how you criticize that victory.

I think every other victory in boxing history can be criticized. My evidence is this message board.

Thoughts?

Leonard-Hearns 1?