Is it possible that Pacquiao actually beat Mayweather?

[daggum]

The thing fans dont understand is the science in this match, this was Chess at the highest level and what that does is nullify a fight into such a strategic cat and mouse game.

Floyd was 1/2 a step in front of Manny all night and Manny couldnt hit him its this and getting tagged for mistakes that shut him down , Manny could not deal with the reflex speed of Mayweather, the shoulder excuse is such a low ball BS to save face i lost all respect for them right there.

he couldnt hit him cept the times he hit him

cept floyd hardly countered at all during this fight so i guess you are saying manny didnt make any mistakes which seems like pretty strong evidence of a manny win

could floyd deal with pacs reflexes? why did he stop throwing those right hands that he was landing early? where were the counters? where were the pull counters? why wasnt he stepping into any of his punches and getting leverage? why was he throwing his jab off theback foot? why was he pushing his hook with the open glove with no leverage? you do all those things when you are worried about the reflexes and speed of your opponent. when you are fighting gatti or baldomir you can step into punches with force.

[hugh grant]

whether you had pac winning or floyd winning floyd not rematching his controversial win over Pac will hurt floyd more in long run. Pac came out of it looking good, making floyd look bad

[chirorickyp]

I had it 6 to 6. Or better yet 0 to 0 or 1.5 to zero for the punches of any real power landing.
Crap fight. Disappointing how the most talented fighter who rarely loses rounds and when looking at his entire career you can only find 5 times he was somewhat hurt, pull off a p^ssy performance like that. Many air punches and great at giving the perception of winning rounds. Not a dominating performance by any stretch of the imagination. Dominating performance means sealing the deal in rounds 11 and 12. That was the Berto fight not this piece of garbage.
And the other guy shows up with a bum shoulder.
To h#ll with both of them

[aboutfkntime]

Mayweather promotions uploaded this fight and it's the only version I've found to be on youtube with good quality. The only time I've watched this fight was live and never tried watching it again since I never found a great quality on youtube. The one and only time I ever watched it, when it was live, I scored it 6-6. I didn't keep track of which rounds or why I scored it one way for that round, I just remembered it was 6-6.

Since they uploaded this great version, I decided to watch it once again and see how I would score it.

1 Mayweather (not much going on, but a Mayweather round)
2 Manny close (could b Mayweather)
3 Manny close (cleaner shots, Mayweather landed taps)
4 Manny (clear)
5 Mayweather (boring, nothing much, but Mayweather round)
6 Manny (cleaner shot, Mayweather on ropes)
7 Mayweather (close, Manny cleaner shots, but gave it to Mayweather)
8 Mayweather (clear, but weak punches that didn't hurt Pacquiao)
9 Manny (close, but landed the cleaner shots)
10 Manny (clear, Mayweather didn't do anything)
11 Mayweather (clear)
12 Mayweather (early taps, then ran, could make it Pacquiao with activity, but ended up giving it to Mayweather)

After totaling it up, I was happy to see another 6-6. I scored it the same my second time as I did the first time.

I know a lot of people may not agree, which is fine, but this is a boxing forum to have discussion, and at least from what I saw, I had it 6-6.

I could be fine with 7-5 Mayweather or 7-5 Pacquiao; however, 7-5 Mayweather would be a lot more likelier than 7-5 Pacquiao, but to me, the best score was still 6-6 based off of what I felt and saw.

Some take aways:

-at 40:20 of the video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z1QTu7r8NI&t=2420s you do see something red on Pacquiao's right shoulder. How that red spot got there is another discussion, but it is there.

-After round 6, it was funny hearing Sr getting on his son about how he wasn't doing what he wanted him to do, you could see Floyd not even looking at him and ignoring him, surprisingly after this speech though, round 7 Floyd came out throwing more

-The ones that scored it 10-2/9-3 to Mayweather must've given all of the close rounds to Mayweather, but also with so many close rounds, it's hardly a "dominant performance"

Lastly, while it may not have lived up to the hype and wasn't action packed, it still had 2 guys in there boxing beautifully, I thought it was great technique all around.

no idea how you could give rounds 2 and 3 to Pacquiao

Pac got handled

[Fists_of_Fury]

8 rounds to 4 Mayweather > #48. Easy work. Only a blind dumbass sees a #48 win.

[Ritz Kola]

I see the same weirdos who can't let that hurt go, STILL incorrectly scoring fights based on their own emotional idea of how to score a fight.
SCORING CRITERIA FOR PROFESSIONAL BOXING.
-Clean Punches
-EFFECTIVE Aggression
-Ring Generalship
-DEFENSE
Those are the only four nothing more, nothing less. Any attempt to win outside of the criteria is a risk the individual fighter is taking.
The utilized definition for "EFFECTIVE Aggression" is: Scoring punches while utilizing FOWARD movement. Effective Aggression is what's scored. NOT your personal idea on what Aggression means.
Clean Punches:Clearly landed punches without any question. (None of that slow the video down and chant ashaka ashaka boom nonsense pac-turds)
Defense is self explanatory.
Ring Generalship: Control of the ring. Which fighter controls the pace of the fight. Where the fight takes place.

Manny got WASHED by Floyd. I watched it on Espn+ twice already. Still an entertaining fight.
Manny wasn't switching it up and trying to outbox Floyd. He got neutralized and couldn't find a way inside without eating punches so he was being hesitant. That means CHECK in the ring generalship box for Floyd. Check the punch stats to see further support for that. Manny threw one of the lowest total punches of his highlighted career in that fight. And landed terribly. Which further supports Floyd's Ring Generalship & CHECK for Floyd in the Defense box.
Clean Punches? Watch the fight then check the Punch stats. CHECK for Floyd.
Effective Aggression. Manny had TWO moments in the fight. Thats it. And he won both rounds each of those moments were in...what's there to complain about? Even those rounds could've went either way in my personal opinion. However check the defined use of Effective Aggression for professional boxing up above. Yes, walking forward and pot shooting opponents still counts as Effective Aggression. We know who won. Get over it. Had Manny not been an absolute POS as a person and a sore losing crybaby: he could've gotten the rematch later that same year and would've probably gotten knocked out In it. Floyd does better in rematches and is vastly more skilled. Boxers more often than not win rematches as opposed to any other style in the ring.

[Ritz Kola]

no idea how you could give rounds 2 and 3 to Pacquiao

Pac got handled

Love your sig!

[Ritz Kola]

8 rounds to 4 Mayweather > #48. Easy work. Only a blind dumbass sees a #48 win.

That Manny gif at the bottom lmao

[famicommander]

whether you had pac winning or floyd winning floyd not rematching his controversial win over Pac will hurt floyd more in long run. Pac came out of it looking good, making floyd look bad

It was a lopsided fight and the only "controversy" is delusional Pac fans can't let it go.

Only a Pacquiao fan could think he came out of a fight where he was completely outclassed looking better than the guy who outclassed him.

[Ritz Kola]

Only one successful style of fighting? I don't even know floyd landed any punched on pac. At ringside have they got benefit of microphone near floyd s gloves so they can hear punch actually land?
I saw jm m land punches on Pac he ended flat on his face or arse. I saw pac nearly koed by Jab by lebadawi or whatever his name was.But

If floyd landed with any authority as many as compubox says wouldn't pac be on that canvas?

SOMEBODY PLEASE TEACH ME HOW TO SIG THAT!
In fact teach me how to Sig + Add Gifs + whatever other things yall know