Is it possible that Pacquiao actually beat Mayweather?

[daggum]

I thought it was a competitive fight, had it even after 8. Floyd won 3 out of the last 4. I thought it was a 7-5 8-4ish fight to Floyd.

Most people on here are heavily influenced by the commentating and preconceptions of what both fighters do well. Manny was supposed to be the terroriser in this fight, the aggressor, but actually he boxed...beautifully at times. Not enough to win the fight but he doesnt get the credit because of the perceptions.

In reality what you saw was two guys who are master level at controlling distance, so they nullified each others offense, Floyd did a better job.

People who say Floyd never stepped out of 2nd gear are idiots. That is just a way of his fans trying to build the aura, the myth, but the reality is that he couldn't dominate or tee off on Manny the way he could other guys.

Regardless Floyd did what he had to do to win. And all of the above could be misconstrued as me bigging Manny up, but actually it is just the my honest analysis, and it actually gives more kudos to Floyd's win. And that is the biggest thing I can say about Floyd, even when he struggles or has problems presented in the ring, he finds a way. Guys go through bad camps, injuries, sickness, overtraining, etc etc these can all lead to bad performances, and losses. But in Floyd's case he always found a way, his consistency and the length of his prime is unique.

whihc 3 rounds did he win though? 9th and 10th were pacs. 9th was kinda close but manny landed the better punches.

fights arent scored on preconceived notions.

how did floyd do a better job though? manny hit him with far better cleaner punches. i think you are comparing what pac did to floyd to what pac did in his other fights once again cause there is no way he did better at nullifying pacs offense than what pac did to floyds offense. floyd barely landed anything clean or hard. even his jab was coming up short or barely grazing. i would say when you can do that to the most accurate puncher in boxing you nullified him pretty well. think about it if you are pac and floyd is barely hitting you clean why would you think you are losing or think you have to do anything different? we saw how great of a round floyd had in round 1 but that slipped away pretty fast. he had to know it wasnt going his way(his corner knew) but at the same time hes not a guy that takes risks so he was content to just leave it in the judges hands and hope that his political power and reputation would carry the day and it did.

[The D3vil]

Video evidenced clearly say that pac won the fight..

Completely false

Are you sure about that? You know when you look at the greats win fights, be it Sr r beating lamotta, or Ali winning his fights, did they resemble what you saw in the Floyd fight.?
Floyd s the one who got rocked, Pac s the one throwing better quality punches!

Completely false.

There's a difference between watching Willie Pep win a fight and Henry Armstrong winning a fight.

There's a difference between watching GGG win a fight & Floyd Mayweather win a fight.

You're essentially saying that there's only one successful style of boxing

[JK1700]

Pac fans are still really upset that TBE embarrassed and beat up their hero in front of the world. They just can’t take it.

I wish I could give you guys a hug it sounds like you really want to cry. I’ll keep you in my prayers.

[_Rexy_]

he couldnt deal wtih his speed? what are you watching? floyd coudlnt deal with mannys speed. how do you twist things like that? look how he took away floyds lead punches, becasue pac was too fast and he didnt want to deal with mannys counters. look how he took away floyd counters, once again because pac was too fast for floyd to counter and get away in the same motion. hence why he resorted to jabbing while out of range and really doing almost nothing when it comes to clean solid connects. a lil push off hook while falling away off balance(already on the back foot) or the occasional right when he knew pac was out of position but those were few. manny just took his time and was abl to land the much better shots without taking very many solid connects in return. boxing?

I said foot speed, not speed in general. Floyd's foot speed was far superior.


Like when I talk about Andy Ruiz Jr. I'll say people can't deal with his handspeed. His footspeed is meh.

[GrandpaBernard]

You are having a laugh.

I had it 118-110 Mayweather and both rounds I gave to Pac could’ve gone either way. You Pac Fans are still heartbroken 5 years later and just can’t get over it huh? I feel sorry for you!!!

Pac won 2, maybe 3 rounds. No more.

It wasn't a close fight. Most of the rounds weren't close, either.

Let it go.

For some reason, this fight has been talked about a lot lately so I watched it last night for the first time since it was live and scored it.


I scored it 117-111 Mayweather, and people know I'm no fan of Floyd. I think he's a wonderful boxer and a POS person. That said, Manny couldn't deal with Floyd's foot speed. I enjoyed the fight a lot more than I remember. Probably because it was just a fight on youtube, and not a $100 PPV we waited six years for.

Floyd winning 10 or 9 rounds is right.

only two clear rounds manny had were 4 and 6. Round 10 could have gone to manny if you liked his activity over Floyd's cleaner punches.

1 Mayweather (not much going on, but a Mayweather round)

Round 1 was the most important round of the fight.

Floyd landing 3 good rights on manny's face wrecked manny's mind.

See the look of discouragement on manny's face after round 1 in the corner.

[hugh grant]

Completely false



Completely false.

There's a difference between watching Willie Pep win a fight and Henry Armstrong winning a fight.

There's a difference between watching GGG win a fight & Floyd Mayweather win a fight.

You're essentially saying that there's only one successful style of boxing

Only one successful style of fighting? I don't even know floyd landed any punched on pac. At ringside have they got benefit of microphone near floyd s gloves so they can hear punch actually land?
I saw jm m land punches on Pac he ended flat on his face or arse. I saw pac nearly koed by Jab by lebadawi or whatever his name was.But

If floyd landed with any authority as many as compubox says wouldn't pac be on that canvas?

[daggum]

I said foot speed, not speed in general. Floyd's foot speed was far superior.


Like when I talk about Andy Ruiz Jr. I'll say people can't deal with his handspeed. His footspeed is meh.

ah my bad for being an idiot. i supposed floyd did use his foot speed to stay away and not engage much but he certainly didnt use it for offensive purposes. manny just wasnt falling into his traps so he kept resetting resetting and manny was just picking him off with leverage while floyds punches had nothing on them because he as always thinking how can i use my footspeed to reset instead of doing actual quality work

[r2rsoto]

This fight is defined by people perceptions, it truly is. It was a masterclass from both of them and it end up being pretty boring, for Manny casuals and hardcore fans alike; but the reason was perceptions, Floyd executed what everyone expected, while Pacquiao in the other hand, was forced into the chess match.

I really think that if you ask a casual in the next 20-40 years, and ask him to judge the fight it will be a 6-6 BORING fight for them.

PERCEPTION and EXPECTATION won the fight to Floyd.

[Roadblock]

For some reason, this fight has been talked about a lot lately so I watched it last night for the first time since it was live and scored it.


I scored it 117-111 Mayweather, and people know I'm no fan of Floyd. I think he's a wonderful boxer and a POS person. That said, Manny couldn't deal with Floyd's foot speed. I enjoyed the fight a lot more than I remember. Probably because it was just a fight on youtube, and not a $100 PPV we waited six years for.

The thing fans dont understand is the science in this match, this was Chess at the highest level and what that does is nullify a fight into such a strategic cat and mouse game.

Floyd was 1/2 a step in front of Manny all night and Manny couldnt hit him its this and getting tagged for mistakes that shut him down , Manny could not deal with the reflex speed of Mayweather, the shoulder excuse is such a low ball BS to save face i lost all respect for them right there.

[daggum]

Floyd winning 10 or 9 rounds is right.

only two clear rounds manny had were 4 and 6. Round 10 could have gone to manny if you liked his activity over Floyd's cleaner punches.


Round 1 was the most important round of the fight.

Floyd landing 3 good rights on manny's face wrecked manny's mind.

See the look of discouragement on manny's face after round 1 in the corner.

round 10 was clear as day for manny. floyd lande the cleaner punches? that did not happen. and manny had the cleaner punches in most the rounds so i guess you scored it for manny then right or is this the incredible flip flopping scoring system you invented? oh floyd won round 1 so its the most important? how so? did you watch the other 11? manny adusted and floyd coldnt. manny kept hitting him cleaner while floyd got more and more defensive nad reactionary so how was it the most important when it didnt really tell us how the fight played out at all? it was the least important i would say because it was a study round. when both guys put their studying into practice it was pac scoring the better punches